This is an outrage! Tesla vandal causes $20,000 in damages, receives no charges.

[HaulingAss]

I'll send my Optimus after them so he can dish out the hammer of Justice against these domestic terrorists and their supporters?
...Ah, just a pipe dream...For now?

It's funny how all the defenders of Tesla vandals went suddenly quiet after it was pointed out the same prosecutor charged a 19-year-old girl with a felony for a single keying incident on a non-Tesla.

And she brought the felony charges on the same day she let off the 33-year-old male for 6 counts of keying Tesla on various days without criminal charges.

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[ABILISK]

It's funny how all the defenders of Tesla vandals went suddenly quiet after it was pointed out the same prosecutor charged a 19-year-old girl with a felony for a single keying incident on a non-Tesla.

And she brought the felony charges on the same day she let off the 33-year-old male for 6 counts of keying Tesla on various days without criminal charges.

I heard about that, but didn’t know that was the SAME DAY. That’s not right on quite a few levels.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

This will likely work out in the girls' favor. If she has an attorney with any brains, when she gets in front of a judge, the attorney can press for "substantial injustice". Only an asshole judge (and she may get one) would deny the claim under the circumstance. They also may have an ABA claim as well. That prosecutor was a moron.

 

[HaulingAss]

This will likely work out in the girls' favor. If she has an attorney with any brains, when she gets in front of a judge, the attorney can press for "substantial injustice". Only an asshole judge (and she may get one) would deny the claim under the circumstance. They also may have an ABA claim as well. That prosecutor was a moron.

The poor girl already got an asshole prosecutor; nothing says she won't also get an asshole judge who was elected by the same district and is driven by the same kind of irational thinking (that it's OK to vandalize if it's a Tesla). Ideologically driven prosecutors and judges need to be held accountable (meaning they need to be removed).

 

[pkauf01]

Paying $20,000 is a wake up call as well and is a more direct and proportional response. That isn’t a small amount of money for most and it avoids costing someone their job, their home,

well, again, we don’t know the details of the other person and why they were charged perhaps they weren’t a first time offender. Diversion programs are only for someone who has never committed a crime and they still have to make restitution. Costing someone their job ending their career and doing untold damage to his family and other people around him just doesn’t seem worth it. It’s easy to armchair quarterback when we don’t have all the facts and to rant about how they should absolutely be punished without knowing what’s really going on.

I just hope that should you ever make a mistake where you have to make restitution that you are shown more grace than you seem to be willing to show others.

"I just hope that should you ever make a mistake" - IT WAS NOT A MISTAKE. IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL ACT. Words matter and implying that it was a mistake is BS . . .

 

[PungoteagueDave]

"I just hope that should you ever make a mistake" - IT WAS NOT A MISTAKE. IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL ACT. Words matter and implying that it was a mistake is BS . . .

You couldn’t be more incorrect. An intentional act can also be a mistake. Every criminal act is a mistake. Some are intentional and some are not. You keep harping about semantics but don’t understand basic English usage and legal terms. Claiming someone made a mistake is not necessarily making an excuse for them. You can make a mistake and still be both wrong and criminally culpable. The question is intentionality. Yes, he did this intentionally and should be punished accordingly. It’s still a mistake. He did something he shouldn’t have. That’s the very definition of a mistake.

The only decision to make about consequences is what venue and what is proportionate to the act? There are many considerations, including the fact that the court and penal systems are overtaxed and expensive, and that victims may achieve better justice through immediate reparations. In this case the perp’s family raised the money through loans and the payment is being made much sooner than would otherwise be possible


You keep asking for punitive payments to the victims. There is no such thing under criminal justice - you only get paid your actual damages and that does not include your time, although can include actual lost wages.

I get your outrage and share it. But your demands/solutions are neither realistic nor possible, and more importantly, would serve no practical effect. The news of consequences like this is clearly informing the public about the Tesla dashcam. The deterrent effect is in place, the perp is regretting his actions, and the victims have been repaid to the maximum extent possible under the law. Case closed unless the perp recidivates.

 

[pkauf01]

You couldn’t be more incorrect. An intentional act can also be a mistake. Every criminal act is a mistake. Some are intentional and some are not. You keep harping about semantics but don’t understand basic English usage and legal terms. Claiming someone made a mistake is not necessarily making an excuse for them. You can make a mistake and still be both wrong and criminally culpable. The question is intentionality. Yes, he did this intentionally and should be punished accordingly. It’s still a mistake. He did something he shouldn’t have. That’s the very definition of a mistake.

The only decision to make about consequences is what venue and what is proportionate to the act? There are many considerations, including the fact that the court and penal systems are overtaxed and expensive, and that victims may achieve better justice through immediate reparations. In this case the perp’s family raised the money through loans and the payment is being made much sooner than would otherwise be possible


You keep asking for punitive payments to the victims. There is no such thing under criminal justice - you only get paid your actual damages and that does not include your time, although can include actual lost wages.

I get your outrage and share it. But your demands/solutions are neither realistic nor possible, and more importantly, would serve no practical effect. The news of consequences like this is clearly informing the public about the Tesla dashcam. The deterrent effect is in place, the perp is regretting his actions, and the victims have been repaid to the maximum extent possible under the law. Case closed unless the perp recidivates.

Here in lies the issues we have in society today. Ugh. Paying "restitution" is the starting point. There needs to be more. I am not implying firing squad, but dismissing any jail or felony record doesn't work. Look at no cash bail, releasing people over and over for repetitive crimes, etc. First offense people can and often do move on to multiple offenders. Maybe a kick in the ass and a permanent record will help, and also be a warning to others that society doesn't accept this crap anymore.

 

[Mark805]

Let’s be factual. He is signing an agreement to make full repayment and be supervised for a period. It is a prosecutorial program called diversion and is available only for first-time offenders who are regretful and compliant. He can still be charged if he violates his public service or repayment obligations. It allows him to work instead of being a ward of the state and allows making money for restitution. It is essence an admission of guilt, with punishment, and a chance of redemption if followed closely. Have little grace.

also to be factual… the same judge sentenced another person for keying one car doing 7k+ in damage. The person had no criminal history. The only 2 difference is the 22k damage was to teslas and the car she keyed was a non tesla vehicle.

“After deciding to not charge 33-year-old Dylan Adams for allegedly vandalizing six Teslas and causing over $21,000 in damage, Minneapolis County Attorney Mary Moriarty, on the same day, charged a 19-year-old woman with no record with a first-degree felony for keying one car and causing $7,000 in damage.”

I guess she didnt work for the governor.

 

[pricedm]

I guess she didnt work for the governor.

This!

 

[CaymanCyr]

I am a cyber truck owner and former attorney in Minneapolis. The subject of this thread was given a deal that he simply shouldn’t have been offered. The out he was given wasn’t meant for somebody who had done as much damage as he did. However, no worries, I understand FBI should be taking this up and will rectify my state’s poor judgment.

 

[dalton108]

Are there local rules that control this? Why would you say “simply shouldn’t have been offered?”

I don’t practice crimlaw is that what you’re retired from?

 

[CaymanCyr]

Are there local rules that control this? Why would you say “simply shouldn’t have been offered?”

I don’t practice crimlaw is that what you’re retired from?

Moriarty is the Hennepin County Attorney and, regardless of the rules and accepted levels of discretion, seems to do whatever she wants. The guy was let off on what is called pre-charge diversion which was previously unheard of for a case like this. Keep in mind he works for the state. Ironically, a nineteen year old young woman was just charged by Moriarty with a felony for doing around $6K worth of damage to Teslas.

 

[pkauf01]

Moriarty is the Hennepin County Attorney and, regardless of the rules and accepted levels of discretion, seems to do whatever she wants. The guy was let off on what is called pre-charge diversion which was previously unheard of for a case like this. Keep in mind he works for the state. Ironically, a nineteen year old young woman was just charged by Moriarty with a felony for doing around $6K worth of damage to Teslas.

Seems like complete BS to me. I don’t understand the love for criminals. There needs to be some sort of punishment. Money is not punishment.

 

[CaymanCyr]

Seems like complete BS to me. I don’t understand the love for criminals. There needs to be some sort of punishment. Money is not punishment.

I agree, the criminal’s repayment for the car’s damage doesn’t even begin to address the damage done to the victims. The societal damage of selective prosecution fuel a distrust in the establishment. Things are not good in Minnesota.

 

[pkauf01]

I agree, the criminal’s repayment for the car’s damage doesn’t even begin to address the damage done to the victims. The societal damage of selective prosecution fuel a distrust in the establishment. Things are not good in Minnesota.

100%. Thanks to TT and his cohorts.

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