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I have just returned from spending time on the ABC islands (Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao). Each Island is different, but I could not get over how small these islands were, but they were buying vehicles that had hundreds of miles of range... that was a complete waste... and they were overpaying for a feature they literally could never use. Not only range, but top speed.

None of the three have what I would call a freeway, most roads are narrow. On Bonaire, there is a road that went for like 10 miles and it was one way. You just had to make a 15 mile loop if you drove past where you wanted to go... or risk going the wrong way on a road so narrow that it barely fit a minivan.

Bonaire also had wind turbines and some solar panels, but from the dozen or so windturbines (that were put in a while ago, they looked to be older and smaller designs) provided the island with 50% of their electricity, the other 50% coming from diesel generators... but they had no electric storage (battery, etc), and I saw two turbines were not spinning (curtailment). Now Bonaire is the least populated of the three, with just over 21,000 people by most estimations since 2019 census.

Aruba was interesting, it was heavily populated (120,000-150,000 people, depending on who you believed about undocumented people), but hardly had any solar and no wind turbines. I think (my opinion) was that they have an oil refinery.

Curacao had a larger population (over 150,000 residents, 15,000 refugees, plus some number of undocumented people), but had some solar, but I did not see any wind turbines (I did not travel around that whole island). It was a much more crowded feeling.

Anyway, it just shocked me how Bonaire had some electric scooters (as well as gas) for rent, but the other two islands only had gas scooters for rent. An electric scooter with 20-30 miles of range on an island that has less rain fall than Arizona seems like a great way to get around. Even better way would be ebike... where pedaling could extend range. The highest elevation is like 600ft above sea level, but those are usually concentrated into a few hills around the islands.

And, the three islands together have less sq miles than the county I live in (Monroe, Indiana). So, dry, sunny, windy locations with almost nothing more severe than a thunderstorm and those so rare that when they happened before and as I arrived, people were comparing it to a storm that hit the islands in the 1800s...

Seems like the faster they could switch off of fossil fuels, the better for their economies and condition of the islands.

Bonaire, know for its diving and reefs, has many laws in place to protect the reefs, like you cannot drop an anchor, you have to either tie up to a buoy ball or a dock. It being the smallest in population and middle size in land area, is also the cleanest of the three islands.

It is funny how these places (islands with access to lots of renewable resources) could be switched off of fossil fuels, but have not.

But, they are looking into it. There was an article in the news there about this seaweed they were going to cultivate that grows some ridiculous multiple faster than wheat, but was more nutritious. I do not read Spanish, Dutch, nor Papiamento, so I was not really able to follow it from the local news.

Anyway, on all the islands, they have pickup trucks and they all burn diesel or gas. They could really use a 100-200 mile range pickup truck there that could charge off of 110 or 220.

Cybertruck would be overkill, except... they have LOTS of cactus and trees and bushes with large, sharp thorns. Had several people warn us about watching where you were stepping, 3 inches and they would go right thru a shoe or flipflop... and many trucks are all scratched up from these. Stainless steel would be an advantage there.

4 wheel steering would help greatly with some of the narrow and tight streets.

Just wanted to share my experiences and how I think it relates to electrical vehicles and the Cybertruck.
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I visited Barbados 20 years ago, and solar water heaters were common. But I saw no sign of renewable power generation.

These small islands are a great use-case for a megapack.
 

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I visited Barbados 20 years ago, and solar water heaters were common. But I saw no sign of renewable power generation.

These small islands are a great use-case for a megapack.
But not the case of having the upfront money for such a thing.

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But not the case of having the upfront money for such a thing.

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I think the only reason Bonaire is as well off as it is, given such a small population, is that it decided to become part of the Netherlands, while the other two islands are in a different political situation.
 


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I think the only reason Bonaire is as well off as it is, given such a small population, is that it decided to become part of the Netherlands, while the other two islands are in a different political situation.
That kinda makes it sound like they had a choice, tho they've been a colony for most of their written history.

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I have just returned from spending time on the ABC islands (Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao). Each Island is different, but I could not get over how small these islands were, but they were buying vehicles that had hundreds of miles of range... that was a complete waste... and they were overpaying for a feature they literally could never use. Not only range, but top speed.

None of the three have what I would call a freeway, most roads are narrow. On Bonaire, there is a road that went for like 10 miles and it was one way. You just had to make a 15 mile loop if you drove past where you wanted to go... or risk going the wrong way on a road so narrow that it barely fit a minivan.

Bonaire also had wind turbines and some solar panels, but from the dozen or so windturbines (that were put in a while ago, they looked to be older and smaller designs) provided the island with 50% of their electricity, the other 50% coming from diesel generators... but they had no electric storage (battery, etc), and I saw two turbines were not spinning (curtailment). Now Bonaire is the least populated of the three, with just over 21,000 people by most estimations since 2019 census.

Aruba was interesting, it was heavily populated (120,000-150,000 people, depending on who you believed about undocumented people), but hardly had any solar and no wind turbines. I think (my opinion) was that they have an oil refinery.

Curacao had a larger population (over 150,000 residents, 15,000 refugees, plus some number of undocumented people), but had some solar, but I did not see any wind turbines (I did not travel around that whole island). It was a much more crowded feeling.

Anyway, it just shocked me how Bonaire had some electric scooters (as well as gas) for rent, but the other two islands only had gas scooters for rent. An electric scooter with 20-30 miles of range on an island that has less rain fall than Arizona seems like a great way to get around. Even better way would be ebike... where pedaling could extend range. The highest elevation is like 600ft above sea level, but those are usually concentrated into a few hills around the islands.

And, the three islands together have less sq miles than the county I live in (Monroe, Indiana). So, dry, sunny, windy locations with almost nothing more severe than a thunderstorm and those so rare that when they happened before and as I arrived, people were comparing it to a storm that hit the islands in the 1800s...

Seems like the faster they could switch off of fossil fuels, the better for their economies and condition of the islands.

Bonaire, know for its diving and reefs, has many laws in place to protect the reefs, like you cannot drop an anchor, you have to either tie up to a buoy ball or a dock. It being the smallest in population and middle size in land area, is also the cleanest of the three islands.

It is funny how these places (islands with access to lots of renewable resources) could be switched off of fossil fuels, but have not.

But, they are looking into it. There was an article in the news there about this seaweed they were going to cultivate that grows some ridiculous multiple faster than wheat, but was more nutritious. I do not read Spanish, Dutch, nor Papiamento, so I was not really able to follow it from the local news.

Anyway, on all the islands, they have pickup trucks and they all burn diesel or gas. They could really use a 100-200 mile range pickup truck there that could charge off of 110 or 220.

Cybertruck would be overkill, except... they have LOTS of cactus and trees and bushes with large, sharp thorns. Had several people warn us about watching where you were stepping, 3 inches and they would go right thru a shoe or flipflop... and many trucks are all scratched up from these. Stainless steel would be an advantage there.

4 wheel steering would help greatly with some of the narrow and tight streets.

Just wanted to share my experiences and how I think it relates to electrical vehicles and the Cybertruck.
My son and I recently bought E-bikes 40miles of range with top speed of 28mph. They would be perfect for getting around those islands.

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That kinda makes it sound like they had a choice, tho they've been a colony for most of their written history.

-Crissa
Yes, they did have a choice.

Each island voted and Bonaire voted to stay a part of the Netherlands when the Netherlands Antilles was dissolved. Bonaire joined the Netherlands officially on Oct 10, 2010.

Aruba broke off first, 1986... though is still a part of the Dutch Kingdom (politics is so crazy sometimes). Aruba is supposedly a 'Devolved Parliamentary represtative democracy within a constitutional monarchy'...

Curacao became a 'Parliamentary representative democrocy within a constitutional monarchy' on Oct 10, 2010.

Before Aruba separated in 1986, you are correct, they really did not have much say.
 

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Yes, they did have a choice.

Each island voted and Bonaire voted to stay a part of the Netherlands when the Netherlands Antilles was dissolved. Bonaire joined the Netherlands officially on Oct 10, 2010.

Aruba broke off first, 1986... though is still a part of the Dutch Kingdom (politics is so crazy sometimes). Aruba is supposedly a 'Devolved Parliamentary represtative democracy within a constitutional monarchy'...

Curacao became a 'Parliamentary representative democrocy within a constitutional monarchy' on Oct 10, 2010.

Before Aruba separated in 1986, you are correct, they really did not have much say.
They had an option to leave, not join. The majority of their population is ethnic Dutch, so... There's not as much a sense of being ignored.

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I'd assume they still have fossil use because they have BOPEC an Venezuelan oil depot on the island they can tap from? Cheapest fuel on the planet atm, so RE investment is likely to be expensive in comparison.

The biggest problem with "island grids", which I also live in, is supply intermittency. Storage helps, but the cheapest way to keep baseload operational is fuel powered generation, which is also what we have. In our case they simply cycle through a few fossil generators that run at partial load, meaning that most of the power (up to 80-90%) can come from solar and wind, but when load ramps up they just throttle up the generators, or start one or two more. The other benefit is that they don't need large storage to overcome times with no wind at night, and as such off peak times are fairly cheap to operate in as well using fuel.

It would be an ideal place to implement V2G though, in that any extra battery capacity in EV's could be used to buffer the grid, seeing they don't need all the range on a small island.
 


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I haven't tried to get my head around how much storage would be needed around the world.

Once a Megapack is installed, I'm guessing it's there for 20 years ?. (at a stretch)

I just googled 'how many towns in the world?

A. 4 Million

Expect Megapak factories to spring up like mushrooms !!
 

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I have just returned from spending time on the ABC islands (Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao). Each Island is different, but I could not get over how small these islands were, but they were buying vehicles that had hundreds of miles of range... that was a complete waste... and they were overpaying for a feature they literally could never use. Not only range, but top speed.

None of the three have what I would call a freeway, most roads are narrow. On Bonaire, there is a road that went for like 10 miles and it was one way. You just had to make a 15 mile loop if you drove past where you wanted to go... or risk going the wrong way on a road so narrow that it barely fit a minivan.

Bonaire also had wind turbines and some solar panels, but from the dozen or so windturbines (that were put in a while ago, they looked to be older and smaller designs) provided the island with 50% of their electricity, the other 50% coming from diesel generators... but they had no electric storage (battery, etc), and I saw two turbines were not spinning (curtailment). Now Bonaire is the least populated of the three, with just over 21,000 people by most estimations since 2019 census.

Aruba was interesting, it was heavily populated (120,000-150,000 people, depending on who you believed about undocumented people), but hardly had any solar and no wind turbines. I think (my opinion) was that they have an oil refinery.

Curacao had a larger population (over 150,000 residents, 15,000 refugees, plus some number of undocumented people), but had some solar, but I did not see any wind turbines (I did not travel around that whole island). It was a much more crowded feeling.

Anyway, it just shocked me how Bonaire had some electric scooters (as well as gas) for rent, but the other two islands only had gas scooters for rent. An electric scooter with 20-30 miles of range on an island that has less rain fall than Arizona seems like a great way to get around. Even better way would be ebike... where pedaling could extend range. The highest elevation is like 600ft above sea level, but those are usually concentrated into a few hills around the islands.

And, the three islands together have less sq miles than the county I live in (Monroe, Indiana). So, dry, sunny, windy locations with almost nothing more severe than a thunderstorm and those so rare that when they happened before and as I arrived, people were comparing it to a storm that hit the islands in the 1800s...

Seems like the faster they could switch off of fossil fuels, the better for their economies and condition of the islands.

Bonaire, know for its diving and reefs, has many laws in place to protect the reefs, like you cannot drop an anchor, you have to either tie up to a buoy ball or a dock. It being the smallest in population and middle size in land area, is also the cleanest of the three islands.

It is funny how these places (islands with access to lots of renewable resources) could be switched off of fossil fuels, but have not.

But, they are looking into it. There was an article in the news there about this seaweed they were going to cultivate that grows some ridiculous multiple faster than wheat, but was more nutritious. I do not read Spanish, Dutch, nor Papiamento, so I was not really able to follow it from the local news.

Anyway, on all the islands, they have pickup trucks and they all burn diesel or gas. They could really use a 100-200 mile range pickup truck there that could charge off of 110 or 220.

Cybertruck would be overkill, except... they have LOTS of cactus and trees and bushes with large, sharp thorns. Had several people warn us about watching where you were stepping, 3 inches and they would go right thru a shoe or flipflop... and many trucks are all scratched up from these. Stainless steel would be an advantage there.

4 wheel steering would help greatly with some of the narrow and tight streets.

Just wanted to share my experiences and how I think it relates to electrical vehicles and the Cybertruck.
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I haven't tried to get my head around how much storage would be needed around the world.

Once a Megapack is installed, I'm guessing it's there for 20 years ?. (at a stretch)

I just googled 'how many towns in the world?

A. 4 Million

Expect Megapak factories to spring up like mushrooms !!
The idea is not to double up on storage. The worst ROI is an asset that is only used intermittently, so having a bunch of Megapacks sitting around on decaying power grid network infrastructure that is incapable of supporting the transition to EV, is probably the lese efficient way to implement storage. Much better to use the EV's themselves as storage as an embedded solution, and be able to move that storage from charging from solar during the day at work, to supplying power at home at night. You cut down on the storage, and you reduce the network load at work and home.

This island case would be a prime example for using V2G/V2X. No megapacks required, and no power line upgrades either to make them work.
 

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The idea is not to double up on storage. The worst ROI is an asset that is only used intermittently, so having a bunch of Megapacks sitting around on decaying power grid network infrastructure that is incapable of supporting the transition to EV, is probably the lese efficient way to implement storage. Much better to use the EV's themselves as storage as an embedded solution, and be able to move that storage from charging from solar during the day at work, to supplying power at home at night. You cut down on the storage, and you reduce the network load at work and home.

This island case would be a prime example for using V2G/V2X. No megapacks required, and no power line upgrades either to make them work.
Maybe in 50 years or whatever, when the EV rollout is complete, and enough of them come with V2G.

Akin to raising funds using volunteers Vs professionals. Lucky if the former turns up!

Scaling Megapack and renewables to service specific numbers is the way to go.
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