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Cybertruck RWD is now listed as eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. It is expected to be released in 2025. If factoring in the tax credit it will start at $53,490

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Will the range actually meet 250mi in real world driving? Remains to be seen.
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Vast majority of contractor vehicles don't use long range.

-Crissa
I'm sure there are use cases for a very local operation, but the consensus seems to be that it's not unusual for contractors to operate within a 100mi radius of the base. Bare RWD truck may be able to do that with little issue, but not while towing equipment which is the second significant use case.

To sum it up, for CT to appealing in the construction market it needs to tow ~13k (9k machine + attachments + trailer) for at least 100mi.
 

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Will the range actually meet 250mi in real world driving? Remains to be seen.
Tesla does their EPA calculations very tightly. Real world driving? Yes. 80mph freeway? No.

I'm sure there are use cases for a very local operation, but the consensus seems to be that it's not unusual for contractors to operate within a 100mi radius of the base. Bare RWD truck may be able to do that with little issue, but not while towing equipment which is the second significant use case.

To sum it up, for CT to appealing in the construction market it needs to tow ~13k (9k machine + attachments + trailer) for at least 100mi.
...and the RWD does exactly that.

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Will the range actually meet 250mi in real world driving? Remains to be seen.
It's a similar matter to the current models. How well do they perform regarding the range estimates ? Not much reason for RWD to be much different, other than perhaps being a bit more efficient due to the lower weight.
 

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Will the range actually meet 250mi in real world driving? Remains to be seen.
What's odd is that a single motor ought to be able to be configured to get better range. Are they shorting on battery cells or, motor type? Would that portend a possible Long-Range version down the line?
 


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What's odd is that a single motor ought to be able to be configured to get better range. Are they shorting on battery cells or, motor type? Would that portend a possible Long-Range version down the line?
Smaller pack
 

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Tesla does their EPA calculations very tightly. Real world driving? Yes. 80mph freeway? No.


...and the RWD does exactly that.

-Crissa
I don't know how you figured that out, seems baseless. My average efficiency for driving empty on average is about 360Wh/mi - that's about 90% at 55MPH. Same routes with an empty(!!!) equipment trailer go to 580Wh/mi, and with a light load over 600Wh/mi. I haven't tried towing at max load yet, but I'm pretty certain it will be a sad experience.

So no, there is no way RWD will do 100mi on a charge with even 11k in tow, and like I said 11k isn't even sufficient for many customers.
 

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What's odd is that a single motor ought to be able to be configured to get better range. Are they shorting on battery cells or, motor type? Would that portend a possible Long-Range version down the line?
Single motor version will likely have an induction motor, which is less efficient at speed than the reluctance motor. Right now when dual or triple motor versions cruise at speed induction motor is de-energized and only reluctance motor(s) is engaged, getting a slight improvement in efficiency. On the other hand additional motors add weight, which reduces efficiency, so that probably gets cancelled out. Then there is the battery pack - again going with a smaller pack you reduce vehicle weight thus improving efficiency, but you get some range reduction as the capacity is less...
 

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I don't know how you figured that out, seems baseless. My average efficiency for driving empty on average is about 360Wh/mi - that's about 90% at 55MPH. Same routes with an empty(!!!) equipment trailer go to 580Wh/mi, and with a light load over 600Wh/mi. I haven't tried towing at max load yet, but I'm pretty certain it will be a sad experience.

So no, there is no way RWD will do 100mi on a charge with even 11k in tow, and like I said 11k isn't even sufficient for many customers.
Your example, 123/0.390 gets you about exactly the range on the tin. Double the consumption for towing, and you get half the range on the tin.

So yes, it will do that. Up a hill? No. Headwind both ways? No.

Literally does. Even out of spec got it to do that.

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Your example, 123/0.390 gets you about exactly the range on the tin. Double the consumption for towing, and you get half the range on the tin.

So yes, it will do that. Up a hill? No. Headwind both ways? No.

Literally does. Even out of spec got it to do that.

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My point is it's not a double. Double is what you get with a moderate load, whether it's due to the weight or aerodynamic drag. When you're at max load you will have 1/3 the range. In fact because RWD is inherently more efficient while empty, the range reduction will be significantly more pronounced when towing at the max rating.
 

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My point is it's not a double. Double is what you get with a moderate load, whether it's due to the weight or aerodynamic drag. When you're at max load you will have 1/3 the range. In fact because RWD is inherently more efficient while empty, the range reduction will be significantly more pronounced when towing at the max rating.
That's not how weight affects towing. It's nearly all from aerodynamic drag.

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Single motor version will likely have an induction motor, which is less efficient at speed than the reluctance motor. Right now when dual or triple motor versions cruise at speed induction motor is de-energized and only reluctance motor(s) is engaged, getting a slight improvement in efficiency. On the other hand additional motors add weight, which reduces efficiency, so that probably gets cancelled out. Then there is the battery pack - again going with a smaller pack you reduce vehicle weight thus improving efficiency, but you get some range reduction as the capacity is less...
Weight impact is around 2Wh/mile per 100 pounds.
Loss of drag from motor and gears is possibly a bigger impact.
Non-inductive motor is better for control and hold efficency. Inductive is cheaper though.
 

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All the people that purchased a 2024 should join together and request we get free self driving for being screwed out of the 7500 tax credit.
I had a totaled 3 FSD transfer so im good lol. Tesla wont do it. sadly.
 

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I was originally waiting / hoping for this but bought my AWD 3 weeks ago bc of the free FSD transfer. So, if I waited until now, I’d still have to pay $8k for FSD (or subscribe, which I wouldn’t want to do).

I’m sure some time in 2025 they’ll offer free FSD transfer again though…
maybe Q4 again if sales slumping.
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