Convince me to get the Cyberbeast...

[Love2Cyber]

Ok, so taking the federal tax credit into account, I'm seeing the cyberbeast as costing about $30k more than the dual motor ($20k + $7.5k credit + state tax differential). And - my read is that you get a truck that does 0-60 in 1.5 seconds faster, but loses 20 miles of range comparatively. Trust me - I want to spend more, but can't justify it in my mind for those offsetting differentials. Am I missing something? What else is better on the beast?

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[Art138]

I thought tax credit was capped at 80k? CYBERBEAST believe is out of scope for the tax credit.

 

[Love2Cyber]

I thought tax credit was capped at 80k? CYBERBEAST believe is out of scope for the tax credit.

That's my point - $20k price differential and you lose $7.5k of tax credit. Added up = about $30k more for the beast.

 

[Art138]

I figure with 7 percent tax here in FL about 107k. Reading other posts some question if FSD will be available on the intial run. 320 Miles works for me since I do primarily City driving.

 

[Dazureus]

Cyberbeast has three motors; 2 in back, 1 in front. I'm a little confused about the specifics of the motors since early sources said the front was a permanent magnet motor and the two rears were induction motors, while recent EPA filings list all three motors as permanent magnet. However a big difference between the AWD with dual motors is that the AWD has physical front and rear locking differentials while the tri has a physical front locking diff and nothing on the rear (since they're mechanically separated). The rear will distribute power left-right by torque vectoring (software). I'm not much into off-roading, but I've heard that they like physical locking diffs since it's more responsive and predicatable.

The AWD has 600hp combined. I haven't seen front/rear distribution numbres, but let's say it's split 300hp front and 300HP rear. With a locking differential, if your left rear tire is spinning or up in the air, the right tire will get nearly all 300HP. The Beast has 845HP combined. With two motors on the rear, whatever total HP is provided in the rear will be split 50/50 in the case listed above. So if it's 300HP front and 545HP combined rear, then the split will be 272.5 HP left/right when one wheel is spinning.

In the end, the efficacy of the rear traction control on the Beast will be dependent upon how good Tesla software is. The software needs to recognize slip conditions and determine power distribution, which can add some delay, which isn't ideal in climbing operations. Quad motor Rivian's are somewhat known to have less than optimal implementation of differential approximation in their software, some times requiring wide open throttle to overcome software hesitancy during some offroad situations.

However! Rear torque vectoring in the Beast opens interesting driving scenarios, especially with the four corner suspension dampening. For example, it opens up the possibility of more aggressive turning with the rear motor opposite the turn direction applying more torque while monitoring vehicle yaw. You'll get a better feeling of "carving" into the turn, rather than just having the rear wheels along for the ride. I don't know if Tesla has implemented this in the Plaid or Beast, but it's a possibility for an OTA update. Also it might be possible to have active trailer sway prevention with the rear torque vectoring of the motors to dampen the trailer sway frequency. Many trucks will warn you of trailer sway based on yaw sensors, but I'm not sure if any act to dampen it.

 

[Balthezor]

Unfortunately this really comes down to financials. Are you making the annual combined income limit for the tax credit of $300k or are you below that? Honestly, its tough pill to swallow to pay 110k for a vehicle making $300k a year. I know people's situation is different. Have stocks, crypto, etc. Still tough to swallow.

 

[Love2Cyber]

Unfortunately this really comes down to financials. Are you making the annual combined income limit for the tax credit of $300k or are you below that? Honestly, its tough pill to swallow to pay 110k for a vehicle making $300k a year. I know people's situation is different. Have stocks, crypto, etc. Still tough to swallow.

I'm ok with the financial situation - would qualify for the $7.5k, barely - but also have plenty of cash for the beast. I just don't understand what the benefit is - beyond paying an effective $30k more for a faster 0-60 and 20 less miles of range. Just doesn't add up to me.

 

[Balthezor]

I'm ok with the financial situation - would qualify for the $7.5k, barely - but also have plenty of cash for the beast. I just don't understand what the benefit is - beyond paying an effective $30k more for a faster 0-60 and 20 less miles of range. Just doesn't add up to me.

That's awesome. I'm leaning towards the Cyberbeast. Honestly, my biggest concern is the possibility of a big price drop in a year like this past year. It wouldn't hurt me financially, but it would bother me to no end. Like the Plaid guys paying 130k and now its 100k.

Not planning on selling CT in a year or 2 or 3. Long term for me.

 

[Broski]

I’d suggest asking yourself if you like fast cars? Have you ever driven a car that does sub three second 0 to 60? At 2.6 seconds. This is considered supercar territory in a full-size truck. You’ll see some of the test videos out right now on YouTube where they are drag racing the truck and the giggles the drivers are getting.

That is where the value is!!

Now if you’re looking for other features and don’t appreciate the speed then it is not worth it and I would guess 80% of the participants in this forum may not think it’s worth it and would be more than happy with the all-wheel-drive version which is actually quite fast in its own right and within improved range.

The cyberbeast is more of an enthusiast, supercar mindset, to which you cannot bring logic to unless you fall into that segment

 

[Love2Cyber]

I’d suggest asking yourself if you like fast cars? Have you ever driven a car that does sub three second 0 to 60? At 2.6 seconds. This is considered supercar territory in a full-size truck. You’ll see some of the test videos out right now on YouTube where they are drag racing the truck and the giggles the drivers are getting.

That is where the value is!!

Now if you’re looking for other features and don’t appreciate the speed then it is not worth it and I would guess 80% of the participants in this forum may not think it’s worth it and would be more than happy with the all-wheel-drive version which is actually quite fast in its own right and within improved range.

The cyberbeast is more of an enthusiast, supercar mindset, to which you cannot bring logic to unless you fall into that segment

My wife drives a P100D Ludicrous - which is fun, on occasion, but the dizziness is a bit off putting, to be honest. So - yes - we have a supercar. Just not sure I need that function in a massive truck. 0-60 at 4.1 seconds seems pretty damn impressive... I'd pay another 10k for the giggles of something faster - seems like $30k is excessive.

That said - I must be missing something. Beast has additional features that I'm not aware of - right?

 

[Hello4x]

That's awesome. I'm leaning towards the Cyberbeast. Honestly, my biggest concern is the possibility of a big price drop in a year like this past year. It wouldn't hurt me financially, but it would bother me to no end. Like the Plaid guys paying 130k and now its 100k.

Not planning on selling CT in a year or 2 or 3. Long term for me.

My fear as well and then TSLA rolling out a new model with 4 motors, 0-60 1.9 secs, power lift gate and self presenting doors. I know I will want to upgrade.

In this case, was thinking Dual and then upgrading when the above update is released. But probably just going to go Cyberbeast regardless. ?

 

[Love2Cyber]

My fear as well and then TSLA rolling out a new model with 4 motors, 0-60 1.9 secs, power lift gate and self presenting doors. I know I will want to upgrade.

In this case, was thinking Dual and the upgrading when the above update is released. But probably just going to go Cyberbeast regardless. ?

Yeah - but the $30k could do so much more for my top charity...vs. what I would get for this kind of differential. A real moral dilemma.

 

[Broski]

My wife drives a P100D Ludicrous - which is fun, on occasion, but the dizziness is a bit off putting, to be honest. So - yes - we have a supercar. Just not sure I need that function in a massive truck. 0-60 at 4.1 seconds seems pretty damn impressive... I'd pay another 10k for the giggles of something faster - seems like $30k is excessive.

That said - I must be missing something. Beast has additional features that I'm not aware of - right?

If you have your superstar fix like in your case, it’s probably not worth it

If I was to guess the differences, it would probably compare performance, or plaid diffs, which MAY include:

Brakes
Wheels/tires
Badging/color
An aero/spoiler feature

just guessing

 

[Hello4x]

Yeah - but the $30k could do so much more for my top charity...vs. what I would get for this kind of differential. A real moral dilemma.

I fully understand and have the same dilemma. Unfortunately we don’t qualify for a tax credit (I have a suga momma ?). IMO, random dude on the internet, but I would YOLO!

The Dual is the better ‘value’ purchase especially with the tax credit. But the thrill is with the Cyberbeast even though the Dual is no slouch. 4.1 sec 0-60 is still quick for a truck. TRX and Raptor R (V8) territory. Heck it’s faster than the V6 Raptor!

 

[Love2Cyber]

Yeah - I just have to question whether or not this kind of differential translates to a truck the way it does to a model S. I think Tesla is missing something major here. Less range for a fast truck? Might work for the first 10k idiots...

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