Kinetic recovery - front or rear attachment ?

[HaulingAss]

Amazon is littered with fakes, both because of third-party sellers and because of inventory co-mingling. Example: ARB soft shackles. Look at the review photos: ALL are of fakes! They look like simple nylon rope and the proof is their load rating: “14,500KGS.” Real ARB soft shackles are rated for 14.5 tons. Kilograms aren’t even a measurement of force. That is why I stand by my statement to avoid Amazon for safety-critical gear.

The link for ARB soft shackles goes to a product listing at the ARB Amazon store.

In other words, the product you are claiming is fake is being sold by ARB. And, no, the photos do not look like simple nylon rope, they look like UHMWPE, exactly what the listing claims it's made of.

Kilograms and tons measure the same thing, weight/mass. And one metric ton equals 1000 Kg. So 14,500 Kg is exactly equal to 14.5 metric tons.

Weight and mass are often used interchangeably although mass refers to the amount of matter in an object while weight refers to the amount of force acting upon that matter. Weight assumes earth's gravity and thus refers to a force. That's why in the US it is common to measure breaking strength or working strength using weight.

I just don't see any of the issues you are railing about. If you don't get what was advertised, Amazon makes it easy to return.

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[joshcarter]

In other words, the product you are claiming is fake is being sold by ARB. And, no, the photos do not look like simple nylon rope, they look like UHMWPE, exactly what the listing claims it's made of.

I very much hope you're right. I compared against photos on the ARB web site and the products look substantially different, both in materials and construction. I need to eat crow on one thing, however: you're correct that when ARB says "T" they mean metric ton, not 2000 pounds as I expected. I would expect a metric force rating to be in some variant of Newtons but, whatever, that's not now ARB does it. I appreciate the correction.

My problem remains: people post reviews saying "well it doesn't look like the photo, but hopefully it works when I need it!" But when they need it they will have many thousands of pounds of force on those components and failure could involve death of bystanders. That is what I'm railing about.

Anyway, I bought directly from Yankum instead.

 

[HaulingAss]

I very much hope you're right. I compared against photos on the ARB web site and the products look substantially different, both in materials and construction. I need to eat crow on one thing, however: you're correct that when ARB says "T" they mean metric ton, not 2000 pounds as I expected. I would expect a metric force rating to be in some variant of Newtons but, whatever, that's not now ARB does it. I appreciate the correction.

My problem remains: people post reviews saying "well it doesn't look like the photo, but hopefully it works when I need it!" But when they need it they will have many thousands of pounds of force on those components and failure could involve death of bystanders. That is what I'm railing about.

Anyway, I bought directly from Yankum instead.

I think ARB changed the color of the product and people flipped out. In my experience, even 'reputable' brands that you might respect often buy their HMWPE from China. Generally, it's already made into a soft shackle in a factory in China.

You need to be able to inspect the quality and workmanship of your ropes and shackles yourself because bad products slip through, even when they are branded by a reputable company (and not every American company is as reputable as I would like). Spending a lot of money just provides a bigger profit for the company importing them. As an ex-Alaskan fisherman, I can self-inspect my recovery gear better than most. You need to do this periodically regardless of where you source the equipment (especially when ordering new equipment).

Some of the non-branded stuff can be just as high quality (and a much better deal). There is also crap out there, so you have to know what you are looking at. You can also make your own from 12 braid HMWPE, with a little care it will be better than the best you can buy (and cheaper than the cheapest you can buy).

 

[mstatkus]

I was looking around for limits I had to pull a stuck U-haul that was essentially one wheel drive in clay and could not get traction. I ended p using the recovery points as I did not have a hitch and it did ok. Box truck was around 8600lbs and we just went super slow.

I didn't want to risk the front recovery hooks on the truck to the job so just used the hitch. I think I will add one of these receivers next time that happens.

Truck did great pulling it out but man it took like 20 minutes to get al the clay out of the tires

Guess it would be handy to update this https://service.tesla.com/docs/Cybertruck/cybertruck_offroad_guide.pdf

I grabbed some soft shackles and a better receiver for this work, thanks for the tips.

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