Cybertruck, I can’t unsee this! [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS; MEMBERS BANNED]

[dalton108]

No disrespect to you whatsoever because I agree with a lot of what you’ve been saying, however Kyle went out of spec just did a extensive evaluation of the three different variants of R1T and still has plenty of negative things to say about the quad motor variety. Early on, there were a significant amount of negatives and even now he still says that the e-locks don’t really work very well and of the EV brands out there that Rivian is the least competent in this area but he has faith that they are going to be able to get it dialed in and basically open requests to get together with their engineers to help them out. Beyond Kyle a lot have argued that three is in fact better than four for various reasons.

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[pricedm]

Sad. @REM was one of our best posters, always helping to keep it real.

I hope it's only temporary!

Hi Admins, please scold and school contributor @REM and reinstate after appropriate action.

 

[Chris9702L]

I agree with all of this. The truck is 80k. How many people standing outside Tesla with signs protesting can afford an 80k car? The ones I saw were old and mad about social security. The other weirdos that are doing things like pants dropping can't afford it either. If someone wants a Cybertruck and they can afford it, they will buy it.

Agree with you. They need to bring out the cheaper, more affordable vehicles that they promised and make the single motor Cybertruck.

 

[HaulingAss]

And for some of the same reasons, humans will never be allowed to drive without computer assistance, too many edge cases and distractions. It will be too dangerous to ever let humans drive without electronic assistance. If all we had were human drivers, people would die by the tens of thousands (in the US alone)! Probably over 43,000 dead people every year, just in the U.S. Globally, I bet the number would be closer to 1.3 million dead people every year!

Oh, wait, those are the actual numbers!

 

[dalton108]

Hi Admins, please scold and school contributor @REM and reinstate after appropriate action.

Cosign. Although, I have no idea what transpired. I’m sure admin is aware of his many contributions so I’m guessing it must’ve been pretty egregious.

 

[HaulingAss]

You must not be a truck guy. The bed of the Cybertruck is actually easier to load/unload than my F-150 (and that's the best-selling pickup in America). The Cybertruck also packs more, both by payload rating and by volume.

In comparison, the Rivian R1T bed is too small and too shallow to even be considered a real pickup truck. It's more of a cute ute with a low payload capacity. You call the R1T an "off-road truck" but none of them even have a single mechanical locker! The Cybertruck goes through difficult situations with ease with front and rear mechanical lockers engaged.

This thread was started because some chick put her ass on someone's CT. The question is - why? The answer is clear. The brand has caused people to dislike it.

No, that's not why. Since when do normal people put their bare butt on inanimate objects they dislike? The reason she did that was because she's mentally ill and has a serious disconnect from reality. Not a normal person. Maybe a Rivian fanboy thinks it's a normal way to express your displeasure with the political leanings of a CEO, but you're not going to get me to believe that's a normal person. The people who are upset with Elon excercising his First Amendment rights are not mainstream Americans, nor are they a large percent of the population; they are freaks and weirdos. ?

They are also gullible to let themselves be used like that.

Most of America is grateful that Elon is donating his time and expertise to stretch their tax dollars by rooting out fraud, corruption and waste of their tax dollars. It's an over-whelming majority who support his efforts. And the number of people who follow him continue to grow. He's far more popular than the duly elected President of the United States, fer crying out loud! People love Elon and what he's doing for their country.

 

[3cyberbeast]

Yes, I am emotionally incontinent.
Yes, I’m utterly irrational.
No, I will not be silenced…

Wow the CT love right there.

 

[HaulingAss]

I never said anything about humans not being impressive drivers. That doesn't negate that fact that they kill over 1.3 million humans every year. Anyone who thinks FSD won't do better than that doesn't understand just how dangerous human driven cars are from an actual statistical perspective.

Human drivers get distracted, some of them even fall asleep! People can only look one direction at a time and have slow reaction times. Computers don't fall asleep, cameras look 360 degrees every microsecond, and they never get distracted.

So - sure - make it unsupervised. Then when someone gets killed - we can hear all about it - and the FSD gets turned off.

Huh? You're worried about one person in an autonomous vehicle getting killed when 1.3 million humans are killed every year by human drivers?

There are far smarter people than me working on things like "fully" autonomous driving. They've invested gazillions of dollars. And a great number of them have exited the industry - essentially saying - it's not worth it.

The players who gave up developing autonomous driving did so when they saw how far ahead Tesla was. They won't tell you this, but they gave up because they saw they didn't stand a chance of beating Tesla and FSD, even with all those ridiculously ugly and costly LIDAR pasted all over the exteriors and a trunk full of computing power.

Will ADAS system continue to improve - no doubt. But to sell folks on something that won't happen in their lifetime - that's a bit of snake oil.

Maybe you don't have much historical perspective, but your claims sound suspiciously similar to claims that were popular 125 years ago, that Wilbur and Orville Wright were deluded hucksters and their flying contraption would never, and could never, work. Otherwise, reputable newspapers said as much. This was a common belief of people lacking vision, they said flying was too difficult, impossible even. But American ingenuity overcame all the problems they identified and the two brothers proved the hoards of naysayers wrong. That's what Elon's FSD team will do with autonomy.

Sadly, you do not even have as much company as those who thought flying machines were a ridiculous waste of time. You are an outlier, along with the other naysayers of autonomy. Most people recognize it's going to happen, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. And with over 43,000 humans murdered on US roads each and every year, autonomy can't come soon enough. Globally, millions of lives will be saved, even once you include those freak cases when an autonomous vehicle actually has a fatal accident.

 

[3cyberbeast]

Oof, that’s awful! We’ve been really careful there. Either my husband or I stay with the truck.

 

[dalton108]

I previously made this argument a lot and then I realized that Elon doesn’t care about alienating his former core customers here in the US because the future of Tesla is in China, or nowhere. This is why the new Model Y looks the way it does - that’s a Chinese aesthetic.

and as far as the lockers, this is one of the advantages that people give to tri-motors because at least the CT has locking front and again as Kyle has said the software locking rear is dramatically better than Rivian. These are just facts.

Again personally I’m not taking any issue with your position beyond that.

 

[HaulingAss]

Each EV truck has its own pluses and minuses. Do powerful people in high positions fib and lie all the time? Yes. Did Mary lead the US in the EV transition? Did we get a 500 mile Cybertruck? ? And I don’t need to validate my truck. I bought it because it is a great truck, the best selling EV truck out there.

Mary Barra and RJ Scaringe are the real snake-oil salesmen here.

Mary said she was confident GM would outsell Tesla in EVs by 2025 (and it was obvious that was not going to happen). They will be lucky to sell 1/10th the EVs Tesla sells this year. All Mary can do is lie and deceive investors and act like they will over-take Tesla.

RJ did a big dog and pony show claiming they would reach gross profitability last quarter. He then proceeded to front-load the quarter by stopping sales in Q3 (claiming they forgot to order enough motors) and saving up their emissions credits to flood Q4 with money from regulatory credits they earned in previous quarters.

Someone tell me why it's ok for Rivian to count income from regulatory credit sales, but not for Tesla to do the same thing. People used to scream about how Elon was using income from regulatory credits to cheat the accounting, but no one raises an eyebrow when RJ does it.

Counting income from regulatory credits Tesla's auto manufacturing was gross profitable going all the way back to the original Roadster. But RJ acts like he is on the same path Elon was, even though he has to fake it to get one quarter of gross profitability. And Rivian has no visible path to reach net corporate profits (but that doesn't stop RJ from acting like they are almost there).

My money will always go to the company that produces results, even though all the naysayers are yelling fraud and lies. FSD drove me to Reno and back, much of it on secondary undivided highways and backroads. Try that in a GM or Rivian. GM says their system works on "compatible" highways. Most highways are not compatible.

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