Tesla and SpaceX Reputations Plummet in Major Poll

[cybrtrk]

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[BannedByTMC]

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All my posts are volunteer work. You're welcome.

 

[cybrtrk]

All my posts are volunteer work. You're welcome.

Your response is honest and brought a smile to my face- carry on. Iron sharpens iron.

 

[Cybertruck2024]

Meh.. all the democrats that championed EM bailed.. politics does that to people. People that care too much about politics will flip their opinions based on what is in en vogue with their stated party. Happens in both sides equally… For the rest of us… Tesla and SpaceX will continue to make far and away the best products (FSD, reusable rockets, etc) that no competitor is even close to touching.. but those that think less of Tesla and SpaceX can go invest and buy Honda prologues and champion Blue Origin.. that’s everyone’s right to choose inferior products for what they believe. No qualms about it nor any disagreement. Not how I roll, but a CEOs political opinions don’t sway me like others. To each their own

The issue is the people moving to other brands means less dollars for Tesla. Less dollars for Tesla means less R&D, which ultimately leads to inferior products. The sad part is none of it needed to happen. Even if you agree with Musk's politics, it was a poor move for the company. DOGE could've been led by some unknown person and achieved the same outcome, why destroy a brand to get there?

I buy Tesla because they are the best EV available in the U.S. If another company starts making the best EV available in thr U.S., I will buy that. Any purchase I make over $80k isn't going towards a political belief, it is for a superior product.

I also was going to be a day one Optimus buyer. Now I will be shopping the competition, just like I got my eye on a Lyriq V.

 

[cybrtrk]

Which competitor to Optimus should we look at?

 

[SCTesla]

Which competitor to Optimus should we look at?

Figure AI is ahead of Tesla currently, but none (no...not even Optimus) are really ready for prime time.

Figure is the only one doing true end user trials. Tesla will start that internally this year, then externally next year.





Edit: Still bullish on Optimus as they are the only company currently stated to sell to end consumers. Just pointing out that Tesla isn't leading the way, they weren't first, and there will be serious competition. China has a ton of options, but they likely won't be allowed in the US.

 

[CyberTW]

The issue is the people moving to other brands means less dollars for Tesla. Less dollars for Tesla means less R&D, which ultimately leads to inferior products. The sad part is none of it needed to happen. Even if you agree with Musk's politics, it was a poor move for the company. DOGE could've been led by some unknown person and achieved the same outcome, why destroy a brand to get there?

I buy Tesla because they are the best EV available in the U.S. If another company starts making the best EV available in thr U.S., I will buy that. Any purchase I make over $80k isn't going towards a political belief, it is for a superior product.

I also was going to be a day one Optimus buyer. Now I will be shopping the competition, just like I got my eye on a Lyriq V.

Agree.. the sad reality and even Elon has mentioned this, is that most companies build lesser EVs than Tesla, or if they are decent, the are money sucks that cost the company more.. competition is good! If a car company can make a car better than Tesla as an EV, then great! We should be hoping for that. Quite honestly, China is figuring it out and it will be fun to watch people call china the good guys over Musk and America.. lol.

 

[Cybertruck2024]

Which competitor to Optimus should we look at?

I'll answer the question when Optimus is being delivered. If true FSD isn't ready yet, why am I supposed to believe in the Optimus time line?

My FS CT order is not full of regret, I am happy with the product and the depreciation was expected. However, I bought $15k FSD on my Model 3 in 2021 and that is why I hold a Tesla grudge. I now know not to trust what the company says, but that's a weird position to be in as a buyer. When I buy a TV, phone, other vehicle; all related products (tech or auto), they do what is promised. Only Tesla doesn’t, and this specific fib cost me almost $10k in 2025 money. It was enough for me to buy a Ford Lightning and not a Tesla as my follow-up vehicle.

 

[dalton108]

I'll answer the question when Optimus is being delivered. If true FSD isn't ready yet, why am I supposed to believe in the Optimus time line?

My FS CT order is not full of regret, I am happy with the product and the depreciation was expected. However, I bought $15k FSD on my Model 3 in 2021 and that is why I hold a Tesla grudge. I now know not to trust what the company says, but that's a weird position to be in as a buyer. When I buy a TV, phone, other vehicle; all related products (tech or auto), they do what is promised. Only Tesla doesn’t, and this specific fib cost me almost $10k in 2025 money. It was enough for me to buy a Ford Lightning and not a Tesla as my follow-up vehicle.

I would be right there with you on that grudge if I had been similarly situated. Fortunately I’ve gotten lucky with FSD only paid $7000 on my MY and M3P and was able to transfer that to my MX and MSP and of course it came as part of our package on the CB.

I can’t imagine ANYBODY who bought it for $15,000 during the brief period where it was inflated to that number not being incandescent!!!

That is absolutely a tough pill to swallow. Sorry man.

If I hadn’t have previously bought it I’d probably been right there with you because I absolutely believed the hype that the next stop was $100,000 when we had fully autonomous FSD no later than 2022 or whatever the assertion was at that time.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Already old news. Anyone thinking Tesla is permanently damaged will be unpleasantly surprised soon - I predict next quarter. Consumers have very short memories and no, this time isn’t different.

Car reviews and product quality will control the outcome. Elon was always polarizing - he is now actually less so with respect to Tesla because he has broadened the base of people who would consider buying one. I have friends and family who a year ago took the position they’d NEVER buy any EV. A year later, some already have one, and many others are thinking seriously about it.

Politics is a dangerous game for any corporate player, but Elon did this stuff personally, didn’t drag his companies into it. They were affected by implication, but that’s all it was, and temporary. These things pass quickly. Jews buy plenty of VWs and Mercedes annd Americans buy anything Japanese, including cars.

Consider Henry Ford’s actual support for Nazism and actual anti-Semitic public statements. He wrote a book entitled “The International Jew, the World’s Foremost Problem” that spewed hate and antisemitism. Ford accepted the Grand Cross of the German Eagle in 1938 and paid for the translation into English and distribution of 500,000 copies of Hitler’s “Mein Kampf” - Hitler kept a life size picture of Ford on his desk and reprinted and used Ford’s writings to foment hatred of Jews in Germany, calling Ford his primary inspiration - and that was REAL - unlike Musk’s one awkward gesture. None of that affected Ford Motors’ fortunes one bit. This will pass very quickly.

 

[REM]

reputation….meh

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[BannedByTMC]

Elon was always polarizing - he is now actually less so with respect to Tesla because he has broadened the base of people who would consider buying one.

No he has not. You don't broaden your base by turning off the people most inclined to buy your products and losing them as customers. At best he's gained as many as he's lost, but since the people he's appealing to now are less likely to be interested in the products to begin with it's probably a net loss. As has been mentioned repeatedly you want to grow a customer base by keeping existing customers happy while adding new ones. This is business 101.

 

[REM]

I can only speak for myself: I no longer consider Elon to be a reliable partner. I went from definitely planning to be the first person with an Optimus in my home, to not trusting that I won’t end up with some creepy little partisan troll-bot “glitching” and preaching EMs politics in my living room.

Utterly nonsensical take with zero real reason to believe any of that hyperbolic scenarios will play out. Maybe it's in the cards for you to just sell everything Tesla and buy the better alternatives out there you can find. Where the grass is greener.

After 10 years of driving nothing but Tesla, waving the flag at car shows, providing test drives, I too am essentially done with the company.

then sell your positions and your vehicles ?

 

[dalton108]

Utterly nonsensical take with zero real reason to believe any of that hyperbolic scenarios will play out.

Literally already happened with Grok. Are you not aware?

 

[REM]

No he has not. You don't broaden your base by turning off the people most inclined to buy your products and losing them as customers. At best he's gained as many as he's lost, but since the people he's appealing to now are less likely to be interested in the products to begin with it's probably a net loss. As has been mentioned repeatedly you want to grow a customer base by keeping existing customers happy while adding new ones. This is business 101.

And I like Tesla having a CEO that isn't afraid to tell people "f*** you" when they are caught lying and manipulating others.

Maybe you can join team Ford or Chevy, where they will stoop to absolutely every level to make a sale and then hope you enjoy their 65% business revenue model where they count on their vehicles breaking, and you have to bring the back to a dealer? ?‍

There is an ongoing coordinated terroristic threat against Tesla (because they are massive disrupters to the status quo) and you guys want to throw the guy most responsible for the massive leap in technology and growth right under the bus lmao. Simply because he isn't bowing to literal terrorists. Ok.

Because you want bottom line profits over what's right vs. wrong.

Good riddance. All of this "Elon bad" rhetoric is insanely boring.

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