Has Tesla Given Up On Providing Actual Smart Summon On The CT?

[mark555055c]

Given up? No.

Is the Cybertruck old news now? Yes

The priority right now is the highest volume vehicles, 3 and Y, and robotaxi.

I do expect FSD and actually smart summon this year, but I've stopped setting expectations as I find myself getting cranky about it as the months pass.

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[txtravwill]

One interesting thought is this vehicle dependent data/training required for features or parity in FSD destroys the value statement for licensing out FSD to another brand and multiple models.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Given up? No.

Is the Cybertruck old news now? Yes

The priority right now is the highest volume vehicles, 3 and Y, and robotaxi.

I do expect FSD and actually smart summon this year, but I've stopped setting expectations as I find myself getting cranky about it as the months pass.

I would personally prioritize my actual needs over these wants - we have installed a full Tesla environment at our new house and need the promised Cybertruck software update that will permit Powershare operation with my Gateway 3, Powerwall 3, and two wall chargers. It would also be nice if Tesla can bring bidirectional powershare to other models such as the new MY. To me, these are important core functions to actuate key hardware promises, and take priority over bleeding edge niceties.

 

[YDR37]

I'm not in the camp thinking the CT's future is dead, but that it is likely to be relegated to priority second-tier status, akin to the S and X. Now all three models will be seen as Tesla's premium series vehicles, sold by appointment in volumes around 50k per year for each model. That's a far cry from the 250k annual volume target, but given the design and expensive content decisions, was always a self-limiting price point and form factor. While a case study in bad resource allocation and hubris, it's actualy not as bad as golks think. If Tesla can sell 40-50k per year, averaging $75-80k, that beats out the model run numbers for many Porsche, Audi, Mercedes, and Cadillac models. It would still be a niche vehicle, but not insignificant at that level.

... That's not nothing, but it is what it is, and the reality will likely be 150k total annual volume for the CT, X and S, and if they play it right, all isn't lost, just requires adjustment. The consumer's purchasing capacity for these kinds of premium vehicles was overestimated across the industry.

Tesla doesn't provide detailed sales figures, but they do release a quarterly number for combined deliveries of the CT, X, and S. The numbers are in the "Production & Delivery" press releases here (under "Other Models"). And over the past four quarters, the combined CT/X/S delivery numbers have been:

1Q 2025: 12,881
4Q 2024: 23,460
3Q 2024: 22,915
2Q 2024: 21,551

Total: 80,807

So Tesla currently isn't selling anything close to 150,000 annually of CT, X, and S combined. It's more like 80,000, and that number may be falling. Some analysts think that the 2Q 2025 quarterly number could be less than 12,000, and maybe even less than 10,000. We should find out next week; Tesla should release the quarterly numbers on July 2.

The S, X, and CT are all made exclusively in the USA. They have historically been exported to Canada, Europe, and China, but retaliatory tariffs on American imports have crippled international sales.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Tesla doesn't provide detailed sales figures, but they do release a quarterly number for combined deliveries of the CT, X, and S. The numbers are in the "Production & Delivery" press releases here (under "Other Models"). And over the past four quarters, the combined CT/X/S delivery numbers have been:

1Q 2025: 12,881
4Q 2024: 23,460
3Q 2024: 22,915
2Q 2024: 21,551

Total: 80,807

So Tesla currently isn't selling anything close to 150,000 annually of CT, X, and S combined. It's more like 80,000, and that number may be falling. Some analysts think that the 2Q 2025 quarterly number could be less than 12,000, and maybe even less than 10,000. We should find out next week; Tesla should release the quarterly numbers on July 2.

The S, X, and CT are all made exclusively in the USA. They have historically been exported to Canada, Europe, and China, but retaliatory tariffs on American imports have crippled international sales.

Whether 80k or 150k, the point is the same. I think your prediction of further decline is dire, with the recent minor refresh likely to help a bit. 80k would be respectable sales for any three high end models in the MB, BMW, AUDI or Porsche lineups, and should be able to sustain decent niche-level profitability for Tesla, including updated engineering and refreshment from time to time. Porsche still rolls out new 911 models every single year, and does major updates every five years despite selling only 50k worldwide. Put into direct price comparison, Porsche sells fewer than 25,000 Boxsters per year, but manages to regularly introduce sweet new versions and maintain solid margins. Niche vehicles do work, as do halo cars.

 

[Jason B]

 

[hemiarch]

If you look carefully after the latest update, there is a "greyed out" option in the CT that mentions auto-summon that can be activated by toggle. It looks like the interface has been added, but the functionality will probably be rolled out jurisdictionally - my guess is places like Phoenix with relatively reliable weather....then data collection and analysis followed by additional rollouts. This seems to be Tesla's very intelligent and measured approach to ongoing evolution which is something 20 years ahead of the nearest competitors. This is so awesome that I'm going to buy a Model X soon to have in the family fleet....

That’s a good decision. I love my Cybertruck and it’s a great stuff mover and adventure vehicle but the x is a better people mover with powered control of every opening and the best load/unload ability of any car I have ever driven. Ultimate school pickup/dropoff vehicle.
We’re not getting rid of either of these cars.

 

[Vizca]

I (a lone wolf) would like to express a 2 cents: CT is a great promising EV truck design with poor evolving on software side. I have own MY and FS CT and can easily contrast the progress of feature/s evolving. For instance:
(a) MY can auto park easily in one attempt; and CT attempts occasionally more than 3 times … on same parking lot and spot.
(b) MY FSD has not had rear wheel on curb on left turn; and my CT FSD had rear wheel on curb more than 4 times (since 2024-Oct, 1st FSD for CT).
I am running out of patience on my CT and have told enquirers (in my neighborhood) to postpone on buying CT and should go with MY instead for now. I fully aware the technical differences between MY and CT; but Tesla commitment/priority to CT is questionable.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

I (a lone wolf) would like to express a 2 cents: CT is a great promising EV truck design with poor evolving on software side. I have own MY and FS CT and can easily contrast the progress of feature/s evolving. For instance:
(a) MY can auto park easily in one attempt; and CT attempts occasionally more than 3 times … on same parking lot and spot.
(b) MY FSD has not had rear wheel on curb on left turn; and my CT FSD had rear wheel on curb more than 4 times (since 2024-Oct, 1st FSD for CT).
I am running out of patience on my CT and have told enquirers (in my neighborhood) to postpone on buying CT and should go with MY instead for now. I fully aware the technical differences between MY and CT; but Tesla commitment/priority to CT is questionable.

I agree, sorta. We also have a MY and a CT, both purchased this year after years of owning six Teslas starting 13 years ago with an early MS, all the while also owning Ford pickup trucks, including several diesel superduties, and several F-150s and a Lightning EV.

I traded my last F-150 Powerboost King Ranch in on the CT in March. I paid less for my AWD CT than for either of my last three Ford pickup trucks. As a truck it has some great functionality. It does everything I need it to, albeit limited towing range with our biggest trailers.

I agree with you that the CT’s FSD implementation is inferior to the MY, by a wide margin. However, if we didn’t have the MY to compare it with, we’d probably think it is pretty great, albeit in need of further refinement. However, compared with the enhanced driving capabilities on offer from ANY other vehicle manufacturer, it is amazing on its own. So if you need a pickup truck, why not simply ignore the software, which is better than anyone else’s, ignore the fact that a couple other Teslas are further along in development, and simply compare the truck features? What’s a better alternative for a truck if you need a truck?

My answer is to compare the CT with other trucks. That keeps me in the CT camp. The MY and CT are apples and oranges, totally unrelated purposes. Do I hope the CT software catches up? Of course. But meanwhile, what’s a better alternative for truck uses? For my purposes it isn’t our MY and it certainly isn’t any other pickup truck. I still have a couple superduties at the farm, driven by employees, have no desire to use them personally. The CT is still amazing for what it is on its own merits.

 

[YDR37]

Tesla doesn't provide detailed sales figures, but they do release a quarterly number for combined deliveries of the CT, X, and S. The numbers are in the "Production & Delivery" press releases here (under "Other Models"). And over the past four quarters, the combined CT/X/S delivery numbers have been:

1Q 2025: 12,881
4Q 2024: 23,460
3Q 2024: 22,915
2Q 2024: 21,551

Total: 80,807

So Tesla currently isn't selling anything close to 150,000 annually of CT, X, and S combined. It's more like 80,000, and that number may be falling. Some analysts think that the 2Q 2025 quarterly number could be less than 12,000, and maybe even less than 10,000. We should find out next week; Tesla should release the quarterly numbers on July 2.

Tesla polls Wall Street analysts at the end of every quarter for their delivery predictions. For Q2 2025, the Wall Street consensus is 15,901 deliveries of CT/X/S combined.

If that is correct, then the combined CT/X/S delivery numbers for the most recent four quarters will drop to 73,248. However, some independent (non-Wall Street) analyses think the figure will be lower, potentially dropping the annual number below 70,000. We should find out tomorrow morning, when Tesla is expected to release the actual quarterly figures.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Actually Smart Summon was one of several features that were supposed to release (I believe) in April but never did. For my money, they highest priority of those features was the new controller for the Cybertruck, presumably to fix the orientation issues (not knowing where it is in the lane, not knowing where it is in a parking spot, etc.). The next would have been reverse capability as the Cybertruck, being a large vehicle, can get into places that require backing up much more often that the other cars in the fleet. I saw ASS as part of the Summon/Reverse Summon feature set that would be required to support unsupervised driving, but given how far off that is I'd consider the other features more important.

Then there is the laundry list of features that have either never been implemented in FSD or are failing., but they weren't on the list of features that were supposed to come out in April.

I would love to see a voice assistant like Grok implemented for the fleet.

 

[Mmahlert]

Months ago Tesla said that it was actively working on bringing A.S.S. to the CT. Heck, at this point I would settle for "Dumb Summon"
Tesla has been very quiet on this feature. I'm worried that Tesla is putting features destined for the CT on the back burner in favor for the Model Y.

I want FSD to improve. I drive 50 miles each way for my daily commute. The CT hesitates switching lanes and also rides the yellow line in the left lane (going over a lot). I can live walking 30 feet to my vehicle.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Actually Smart Summon was one of several features that were supposed to release (I believe) in April but never did. For my money, they highest priority of those features was the new controller for the Cybertruck, presumably to fix the orientation issues (not knowing where it is in the lane, not knowing where it is in a parking spot, etc.). The next would have been reverse capability as the Cybertruck, being a large vehicle, can get into places that require backing up much more often that the other cars in the fleet. I saw ASS as part of the Summon/Reverse Summon feature set that would be required to support unsupervised driving, but given how far off that is I'd consider the other features more important.

Then there is the laundry list of features that have either never been implemented in FSD or are failing., but they weren't on the list of features that were supposed to come out in April.

I would love to see a voice assistant like Grok implemented for the fleet.

Elon announced the first version of Autopilot on October 4, 2014. I remember that day because I watched it in the recovery room after receiving a new heart valve. I immediately placed an order for the P85D from my hospital bed. The new car was announced that day, and was the first Tesla with basic sensors and cameras for assisted driving. On that day Elon ruminated about how the car would allow you to put your kid in the vehicle and send it to school without a driver. That was over ten years ago.

I took delivery of my P85D less than three months later, on December 28, 2014 and did a Fremont factory tour before driving across the country to Maine and eventually Virginia, in sub-zero F weather, on routes mostly without Superchargers. I was a true fanboi and EV adventurer, hanging out at campground outlets and scavenging charges at welding shops and marinas.

The very first version of Autopilot was delivered in September 2015, nearly a full year after it was announced at the “one more thing” event, even though Elon had originally said it would be downloaded in two weeks. We already knew his promises were aspirational at best, and the first AP wasn’t just late - it was dismal, although it didn’t have any nag or supervision caveats when first delivered. Then folks started posting videos reading and riding in the back seat with no driver, and a couple Tesla owners were killed - which is when they added the warning requiring driver monitoring , and eventually the nanny features came along (initially just torque-sensing steering wheel, later cameras looking at the drivers’ eyes).

The point here is advice to not get too excited about missing features that were promised. It is either gonna happen on Elon time, or maybe never (still can’t put a kid in the car and send them to school). My approach is to expect little and be pleasantly surprised when something new shows up that wasn’t there on delivery. Tesla ownership has been a great ride, a life-changing experience, and I’ve enjoyed most of the 13 years I’ve’ owned Teslas, but the key is lowered expectations vs promises.

 

[Gigahorse]

Think so, add it to the list of things promised that may never see the light of day.
Summon would be nice, but what would be nicer is not having to charge for an hour at a SC....

Still waiting on that 500kw charging

 

[timschoenfeler]

I disagree about ASS, especially on a HW4 vehicle. When I had my 2020 Y (HW3) ASS was really good. Then, I used it a few times on my wife's 2024 Model 3 (HW4) and it was better. One time it was at a super busy Costco parking lot and it handled it perfectly. I (and my mother) were super surprised.

Having dumb summon is helpful for the rare times you need to move the vehicle bc somone parked way too close to you or you want to squeeze the vehicle in a tight spot.

Admittedly, the frequency in which I used ASS was not that much but when I did use it it was super helpful and impressive. Most of my use cases was for fun or when it was raining heavily and I didn't want to walk in the rain.

I truly hope Tesla will be releasing ASS for the Cybertruck this year...but I'm guessing it'll be sometime in 2026.

I've been wanting to experience ASS in the CT since I purchased the truck earlier this year. I often site a use case like what you described to people, "Coming out of a CostCo with a buggy of goods during a pouring rain with the car across the parking lot." Whenever I describe that scenario to women, they ALL want a Tesla just for ASS in that scenario.

I seem to recall an article speculating that they took it off of the cybertruck shortly after adding it due to the truck's 4 wheel steering. Locking the CT's rear wheels for that feature may not be a desired solution. Still, the 4 wheel steering could indeed be hindering ASS's deployment on CT as the truck often seems to be "turn challenged" in FSD often turning too short & catching curbs in tight turns at present.

My truck seems to be 'more at home'/drives better in DC than in more rural states suggesting more FSD driven miles there.

Case in point, I have reported the truck hugging the centerline or actually taking the shoulder in FSD ( I would think it'd center itself in the lane barring any roadside obstacles ). That gets pretty interesting with Semi Trucks in the oncoming lane.

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