FSD 14 now rolling out to employees

[Cincycyber]

Exactly, people who are saying the CT FSD is good have not sat in a M3 or MY with FSD recently

I had a ride in an 8 year old Model X on Hw3 running an older version of FSD. Was incredibly better that my CT. WHY?

Mine hugs the left lane on highways, drives awfully close to parked cars where it feels like I’m inches away from sideswiping them , tailgates on local and highways (around 1 second follow distance) and hesitates starting off at every stop sign.

Truth to all of the above but not always. Also, when a far left lane on the highway is ending no matter how well it is noted with signs, etc the car has a 50/50 shot at executing properly. Tonight it went over the solid yellow and was starting to drive in the run off lane.

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[Sjohnson20]

I have the Cybertruck and the Juniper.

I can't say that the Juniper is a huge amount better than the Cybertruck. It does some things better. It has the start from park which I like. It also reverses out of my driveway.

But it still does dumb lane changes. I have to take over or hit the blinker sometimes. One area near my house it always tries to get into the ending lane when it was already in the lane that continues. The Cybertruck never has that problem at the same location.

The Juniper will sometimes hang in the passing lane on the highway. Cybertruck usually gets over, but not always. They are both about the same maybe the Juniper is a little better.

Juniper is better at right on reds.

Between the two I don't see a big difference when it comes to driving from A to B. Beginning and end is better in the Juniper. Middle part is about the same for me.

Long trip I usually choose the Cybertruck since it's bigger and more comfortable to ride in for a long distance.

 

[gtgarner]

I use it daily and love it but it is far from perfect. Crossing over the double yellow on a left turn for one is a big deficiency I'd like fixed. I have to assume that the robotaxi fleet is running something beyond 14.

Perfect? Who said anything about perfect?

Why is the scrutiny for FSD so far beyond how humans drive? Somehow the department of transportation keeps handing out licenses like water.

Are you perfect?

Have you seen some of the humans out there driving on the road today? 20% of humans shouldn't have been given a license AT ALL. - and you say that FSD is "not perfect"? When you say FSD isn't perfect...who are you comparing it to? Humans?

 

[gtgarner]

I would just love to see how a DMV would evaluate FSD. There is absolutely no way they should fail FSD looking at how they pass some humans.

I went to the DMV to get my Real Id and there is no way this 91 year old guy should have been granted a license. He couldn't even find the right line to pay. He couldn't hardly see the lines in the floor leading to the cashier.

In my opinion - all FSD has to do is to be better than the worst HUMAN driver - and its good enough for me. "FSD hugging the side of a lane'? - lol Please don't ride with my kids driving. I wish all they did was hug the side of a lane.

I think one of my kids is in competition to see how many times they can make other drivers honk their horns. Compared to my own kids - FSD surely deserves a license.

Let me put it this way - if my kids were driving with FSD on - and I'm in the car - I would scream from the back seat - "Don't you ever turn that off".

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Robo taxies not having Tesla employees in them at scale will signal to us that FSD is finally about to live up to the promise, looking forward to it.

When pigs fly. This is Elon’s Opti-Grab. Riches come, riches go.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

I have the Cybertruck and the Juniper.

I can't say that the Juniper is a huge amount better than the Cybertruck. It does some things better. It has the start from park which I like. It also reverses out of my driveway.

But it still does dumb lane changes. I have to take over or hit the blinker sometimes. One area near my house it always tries to get into the ending lane when it was already in the lane that continues. The Cybertruck never has that problem at the same location.

The Juniper will sometimes hang in the passing lane on the highway. Cybertruck usually gets over, but not always. They are both about the same maybe the Juniper is a little better.

Juniper is better at right on reds.

Between the two I don't see a big difference when it comes to driving from A to B. Beginning and end is better in the Juniper. Middle part is about the same for me.

Long trip I usually choose the Cybertruck since it's bigger and more comfortable to ride in for a long distance.

Likely due to settings - sounds like you are running in Hurry model on the Juniper.

 

[Raptor370]

I have started thinking of fSD a little differently lately. I know there will be improvements. You guys have outlined many of my frustrations in this thread with the current version of FSD. Many of which I think can be fixed in fsd14.
If I have to explain FSD to somebody that doesn’t understand it then they always picture a perfect driver and are very skeptical of their ability to let go of control. I know you have all had these conversations too. I always admit FSD has issues, but challenge them to think of it like riding in the car with any other driver. Your wife, your buddy, an uber driver. What is your confidence in their driving ability? It won’t always match your driving style, and there will always be things that you would do a little differently. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t doing a good job overall. At this point I am not sure what my ideal version is anymore. It will never drive exactly like me and I will never like everything it does. That doesn’t mean I am not willing to live with some frustrations for the ability to have the truck drive for me.

 

[65SoYoLO]

Mine hugs the left lane on highways, drives awfully close to parked cars where it feels like I’m inches away from sideswiping them , tailgates on local and highways (around 1 second follow distance) and hesitates starting off at every stop sign.

My CT drives way too close to parked cars. It also takes more then a gentle nudge to steer the truck away from those parked cars, sometimes it disabled FSD and asks why it was cancelled...I tell it that it almost hit parked cars and to PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO THE ROAD! every single time.

 

[65SoYoLO]

In my opinion - all FSD has to do is to be better than the worst HUMAN driver

That is setting the bar way too low.

 

[Sjohnson20]

Likely due to settings - sounds like you are running in Hurry model on the Juniper.

nope. I use standard on both the cybertruck and juniper. I never use hurry.

 

[HaulingAss]

...few more hardware iterations and many more software releases and it could be there. I'd say maybe in 10 years. Even then won't deal with all real world surprises, even many humans can't hehe.

I don't see how anyone who has followed the progress of FSD over the last 5 years say "maybe in 10 years". That makes zero sense. I would say less than a year.

 

[Scott Beall]

If I have to explain FSD to somebody that doesn’t understand it then they always picture a perfect driver

Nearly half of all drivers are below average.

 

[HaulingAss]

I use it daily and love it but it is far from perfect. Crossing over the double yellow on a left turn for one is a big deficiency I'd like fixed. I have to assume that the robotaxi fleet is running something beyond 14.

FSD will NEVER be perfect. And neither will humans. What we need is better than what we have, and we are getting very close to that point.

What does "better" mean? We can't measure it subjectively, it has to be based upon the rate of accidents, injuries and deaths.

You could put three people in a car driven by a skilled professional driver for an hour driving through complex environments and all three would never agree what he did right and wrong. Heck, this would probably be true on an easy freeway drive. Some would think he was going too slow, others that he was going too fast. Some would say he changed lanes too often, others would say he stayed in the fast lane too long. You would never get everyone to agree.

My point is FSD will be the same way. It could be twice as good as a skilled driver and people would still disagree whether it did everything correctly. That's why accident statistics are the only productive way to judge autonomous driving technology. Well, you could also throw in smoothness and ride comfort, something FSD already excels at, compared to competing systems. But the real acid test is; "Is it reducing the rate of accidents, injuries and deaths, or increasing them?". If the latter, it will not be allowed to operate on public roads. Nor would Tesla allow it to, even if regulators would (which, of course, they wouldn't).

Currently, we have over a million road accident deaths per year, globally. Over a million people dying every year is a staggering figure! That's with human drivers! If FSD could even cut that in half we would save 500,000 lives every frickin' year! That's the equivalent of saving every resident in the town I live in (population under 20,000), and 24 other towns the same size, every single year!

What we currently have is an unacceptable bloodbath of epic proportions. FSD can't get here quickly enough.

 

[HaulingAss]

Exactly, people who are saying the CT FSD is good have not sat in a M3 or MY with FSD recently

Incorrect.

We have a hardware 4 Model 3 Performance. FSD in Cybertruck is good. FSD in Model 3 is very good.

Both are soon to be excellent, safer than the average human.

 

[REM]

Nearly half of all drivers are below average.

Don't you start throwing bell curveballs at us!!

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