Elon confident "we'll allow you to text and drive [with FSD] in next month or two"

[BengalBoy]

I really am at a loss why you would want to "pick up" your phone to text? My CyberTruck's "Speech to Text" feature coupled with it's "Text to Speech" feature with incoming messages is one of the coolest technologies inside 007.

Text comes in I press "Play."
Listen to the message although it is displayed on-screen as well.
007 prompts me to "Reply."
I press "Reply."
I speak my reply message which is displayed on-screen. Very accurate. Much more accurate than my manual "texting."
I press "Send."

All this is being done on-screen during FSD with my only physical input being "spoken message" and "finger to screen" when prompted. It is a remarkable technology for handling text messages that is already a part of the UI. Who wants to pick up their phone to text inside a Tesla??

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[Baldyloxx]

Texting is not the only reason to pickup your phone..

Music, Alerts, Maps and other Apps.

remember, there is no CarPlay or Mirroring..

We now use the term “texting while driving” as an umbrella statement.

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[CyberGuyHawaii]

I don’t see any reason to touch your phone while driving. Navigation is all done on the screen. There’s a plethora of music/podcast/audio entertainment built in. And you can text to speech which even works with my flip phone. The problem is that people are too anxious needing to see the next message or like or whatever is on some time consuming app their using. It can wait until you park.

 

[YDR37]

We now use the term “texting while driving” as an umbrella statement.

For Elon, "texting while driving" seems to be shorthand for "doing whatever the hell you want in the car -- like eating, working, or sleeping -- while the car handles the driving part on its own"

As he said earlier this week at the Shareholder Meeting:

The killer app really is for people, can you text and drive? Or can you sleep and drive? Can the car take you to your destination? Or do you need to pay attention and be and have to drive it?

People are focusing on the "texting" part, but the "sleeping" part is actually even more radical:

And I think by fourteen point three is when we’re really going to be at the point where you can just pretty much fall asleep and wake up at your destination.

It's true that existing state laws frown on phone use while driving. They are probably even stricter when it comes to sleeping while driving.

 

[Gaximus]

As a TSLA shareholder, the price of FSD would have to skyrocket to make it economically feasible for Tesla to assume the liability of every vehicle using FSD.

I don’t think that would have to increase at all. FSD will be statistically safer, less accidents in its current version, than with people driving. And statistics are how insurance companies run. So Tesla might not even have to cover, insurance companies might even give discounts if you use #% of your driving under FSD.

 

[YDR37]

Making a standard before seeing how it works in the real world is a bad, bad idea.

It's actually OK, because a "standard" is not the same thing as a "law". The SAE is an industry group, not a government agency, and an "SAE standard" is nothing more than a suggestion. SAE is basically saying:

Turquoise lights are a way to signal that a vehicle is operating autonomously, and if you want to go that route, we recommend doing it like this.

Mercedes obviously does want to go that route. Other manufacturers are free to follow, modify, or ignore the standard as they see fit.

If someone comes up with a better way to signal that a vehicle is operating autonomously, they are free to offer that up as a standard too. For example, SAE originally developed the J1772 charging standard back around 2001. But that didn't lock J1772 into place as the only possible option for all time. In the 2010s, Tesla developed an improved system, NACS, which became standardized as J3400. Today, J3400 is much more popular than J1772 in the US/Canada, although there may still be old J1772 vehicles on the road and old J1772 chargers in some places.

If the turquoise lights do turn out to be a good idea, then a state could pass a law saying "autonomous vehicles must have lights that meet the SAE J3134 standard". But there is no assurance that this will happen. For example, the J3400 NACS standard is now popular in the US/Canada, but I don't think any states legally require it for EVs or chargers.

 

[Crissa]

It's actually OK, because a "standard" is not the same thing as a "law".

No. It leads a bunch of execs astray, 'We're using the standard!' but there's no evidence the standard works. So we implement and waste money building to a terrible standard.

That's how we got the terrible combo plug which wasn't just bad because it was big, it was bad because the clips were in the wrong place.

...And that's not the only bad standard that's out there, there's many of them. Nothing sucks worse (aside from not having a job at all) than being sent to implement a standard you know doesn't do what execs say it should.

-Crissa

 

[65SoYoLO]

I really am at a loss why you would want to "pick up" your phone to text? My CyberTruck's "Speech to Text" feature coupled with it's "Text to Speech" feature with incoming messages is one of the coolest technologies inside 007.

Text comes in I press "Play."
Listen to the message although it is displayed on-screen as well.
007 prompts me to "Reply."
I press "Reply."
I speak my reply message which is displayed on-screen. Very accurate. Much more accurate than my manual "texting."
I press "Send."

All this is being done on-screen during FSD with my only physical input being "spoken message" and "finger to screen" when prompted. It is a remarkable technology for handling text messages that is already a part of the UI. Who wants to pick up their phone to text inside a Tesla??

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[bg002h]

They are already required to. That's one of Elon's beefs with NHTSA, that all Teslas report collisions back to NHTSA.

-Crissa

That’s good to hear…

 

[Sjohnson20]

Texting is not the only reason to pickup your phone..

Music, Alerts, Maps and other Apps.

remember, there is no CarPlay or Mirroring..

We now use the term “texting while driving” as an umbrella statement.

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I agree. Elon is basically saying we will be able to look at the phone. For how long though he didn't say. Could be a time limit. A longer amount of time before a nag..

 

[DEAKBS]

That was a mistake for him to say that. There are laws on the books in most states against having devices in your hand, and they don't care if you have a Tesla w/FSD. Regulations need to be passed before this can happen.

It wasn't a mistake, he knows this, but he says it anyways because it sells.

 

[DarickHemphill]

I’ll considered a win if I’m able to look at the center screen for more than 15 seconds to figure out where the fuck the car is taking me since it doesn’t make logical decisions in overall routing yet. Most of my nags are related to that.

I get a lot of demerits for trying to pick out my podcasts. My eyes take a few seconds to adjust from far to near sighted reading.... Just a few more seconds would make my life much easier... the worst is when you are reading something and the rearview mirror moves and covers it up because it is warning you to focus on the road... ARGH.

 

[Bridgeboy69]

I’ve been back on my flip phone for a while now.

Why the half measures?

I thought about going back to the rotary phone, but then reconsidered that as a half measure too.

Now I'm back to the telegraph:

My peace of mind now has increased by orders of magnitude.

If I still get too stressed though, I am considering returning to the pony express. I don't trust USPS anymore either, as 99.99% of all mall I get through them is unsolicted spam. But after looking at pony prices, maybe carrier pigeon may be a better technology...

I think this could even be done while driving. Cages in the backseat and toss the pigeons out the window...

 

[mhaze]

That was a mistake for him to say that. There are laws on the books in most states against having devices in your hand, and they don't care if you have a Tesla w/FSD. Regulations need to be passed before this can happen.

No. The law just imposes a fine in the case of a driver choosing to engage in the behavior.

that’s totally unchanged.

 

[Lisa Walker]

That was a mistake for him to say that. There are laws on the books in most states against having devices in your hand, and they don't care if you have a Tesla w/FSD. Regulations need to be passed before this can happen.

I think he means the car will not nag for texting. It’s still up to the driver to obey traffic laws—like we must obey all laws when supervising. Other cars dont nag for texting. Phones dont even nag for texting while driving. I dont see a problem here.

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