FSD v14.1.7 rolling out to all Cybertruck owners! Update yours yet??

[HaulingAss]

Again, the nag isn't forced or necessitated by regulators. It's due to the software only being level 2. Once FSD is good enough, Tesla can remove monitoring and not need approval in many jurisdictions.

Tesla has already reduced the nag and will further reduce it with 14.3, potentially even eliminate it, according to Elon

The "level" of autonomy is artificial and inconsequential. The only thing that matters is that regulators require all supervised self-driving to have effective driver monitoring. They have investigated Tesla over this before.

Don't worry, they are from the government and they are here to help you! LOL!

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[Zane Edwards]

Updating now….

YEAH.....yes updating now....slowly ;-(

 

[Bill Carlson]

Updating now….

Updated in the parking lot where I work today. Impressive.

 

[SCTesla]

The "level" of autonomy is artificial and inconsequential. The only thing that matters is that regulators require all supervised self-driving to have effective driver monitoring. They have investigated Tesla over this before.

Don't worry, they are from the government and they are here to help you! LOL!

The levels do mean something in a sense. That's why Tesla, Elon, government agencies refer to them, but ADAS does not require monitoring. The regulators push back on Supervised monitoring because they question how the manufacturer enforces supervision. Tesla could ignore this (as they did in the beginning), but then when issues occur, they are liable. Most of the safeguards like driver monitoring are to ensure that you (the driver) does their part in Supervising, but once the system is good enough, the supervision can be relaxed as we've already seen with FSD 13 and we will further see with FSD 14.

Tesla can absolutely allow 10 (or more) seconds of freedom once they have confidence in the system if they wanted while still being "Supervised". That's what Tesla's plans are currently before FSDU, to relax monitoring to allow things like "texting", even though texting itself is legal, but activities like that.

The only NHTSA investigation over Tesla actions with FSD have been rolling stops. The investigation that create wheel nag, which later changed to vision monitoring started with Accidents and breaking laws. The NHTSA isn't going to investigate FSD for simply removing or not having monitoring, but if cars start getting into accidents and Tesla's response is "The drivers are responsible", then the NHTSA will look into how Tesla is enforcing this responsibility.

It may seem like semantics, but FSD can easily reduce monitoring without any permissions from anyone. For full unsupervised driving, there are many states where they do not need permission, but some that they do.

TLDR: The nag and how strict it is isn't dictated by government or regulators.

 

[HaulingAss]

It may seem like semantics, but FSD can easily reduce monitoring without any permissions from anyone. For full unsupervised driving, there are many states where they do not need permission, but some that they do.

Sure, Tesla might not need permission to completely remove driver monitoring, but if they are found not to have effective enough monitoring they can certainly crack down on them. Tesla errs on the side of safety.

TLDR: The nag and how strict it is isn't dictated by government or regulators.

The government regulators are largely reactive, not proactive. Tesla doesn't know what they will do in terms of enforcement until they actually do it. For example, the rolling stop.

My point was, that Tesla is safety focused, as they should be, and if they start kowtowing to a few owners who find driver monitoring overly burdensome, Tesla will likely land themselves in hotter water. The regulators absolutely take an active interest in whether the driver monitoring of any supervised self-driving is adequate and has the desired effect. Also, how easy it is for a driver to fool the driver monitoring system.

 

[TeslaKen]

Updating now….

Yes updated mine this morning but haven't had a chance to drive it yet....

 

[CybertruckPilot]

Amen @Professor

Borrowed the wife's ICE car, went to work, left the engine on when I got out and went inside.

 

[rovert43]

LFG!!!!

So I took my son to School this morning, unprotected turns not an issue, even when a car is trying to turn unprotected in the adjacent lane it seems to know. Scrolling between driving modes is great, sensed the school zones and slowed only when children were present.

Noticed it stuttered a few times from stop, only if it thought a vehicle was approaching too quickly or sensed a pedestrian too close to the curb. Needs some work there, otherwise very minor and brief lane hugging.

Overall great improvement, and very satisfied with the upgrade.

 

[Professor]

Sure, Tesla might not need permission to completely remove driver monitoring, but if they are found not to have effective enough monitoring they can certainly crack down on them. Tesla errs on the side of safety.



The government regulators are largely reactive, not proactive. Tesla doesn't know what they will do in terms of enforcement until they actually do it. For example, the rolling stop.

My point was, that Tesla is safety focused, as they should be, and if they start kowtowing to a few owners who find driver monitoring overly burdensome, Tesla will likely land themselves in hotter water. The regulators absolutely take an active interest in whether the driver monitoring of any supervised self-driving is adequate and has the desired effect. Also, how easy it is for a driver to fool the driver monitoring system.

Is that why we have a 2 second pause at stop-signs? I have always found that annoying. Because they got snagged for rolling stops? I've even been honked at.

 

[Pulaski]

Damn, just got it parked in MN. Didn't expect that roll out this quick

 

[SCTesla]

Sure, Tesla might not need permission to completely remove driver monitoring, but if they are found not to have effective enough monitoring they can certainly crack down on them. Tesla errs on the side of safety.



The government regulators are largely reactive, not proactive. Tesla doesn't know what they will do in terms of enforcement until they actually do it. For example, the rolling stop.

My point was, that Tesla is safety focused, as they should be, and if they start kowtowing to a few owners who find driver monitoring overly burdensome, Tesla will likely land themselves in hotter water. The regulators absolutely take an active interest in whether the driver monitoring of any supervised self-driving is adequate and has the desired effect. Also, how easy it is for a driver to fool the driver monitoring system.

Ok. We agree, then.

But...Elon and Ashok have said that soon we will see less monitoring...that doesn't mean it will be gone.

 

[Macgyverfever]

Boom - parked me in taco bell parking lot - stayed centered in highway lane!!!

 

[AverageJoe]

Went through the car wash this morning no issues at all definitely like enabling Free role works really well in Carwash mode pretty happy overall with FSD 14.1.7 on my 3 mile commute to work this morning. I did notice the truck avoided the 2 pot holes coming into my complex, which I thought was amazing, now i am looking forward to the storm drains that dip on the passenger side, also want to see if it will avoid manhole covers that are higher or lower than usual. so far pretty happy

Went through the car wash? In FSD?

 

[Tallgeese179]

Boom - parked me in taco bell parking lot - stayed centered in highway lane!!!

Love the song choice, used it for testing the speakers when I first took test drives in the Y/3/CT.

Unrelated, is this what light mode looks like?? I always have dark mode so this looks alien to me. Looks airy and nice

 

[HaulingAss]

Is that why we have a 2 second pause at stop-signs? I have always found that annoying. Because they got snagged for rolling stops? I've even been honked at.

Absolutely! It used to just roll right through when it could see there was no cross traffic. NHTSA threatened them, that's why Chuck Cook is always saying "There's the "Nitsa" stop".

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