FSD 13 vs 14.1 vs 14.2 - my experience and thoughts

[sharpgator]

Related to the speed limit thing, I had a weird thing happen yesterday. I was FSD driving along a route I've FSD'd hundreds of times. Speed limit is 50 and FSD Standard has me going 55. Suddenly, the speed limit inappropriately changes to 35 and FSD rapidly slows down to 40. I disengage FSD and the speed limit pops back up to 50. I was able to repeat this 3 times where the speed limit reads differently depending on whether FSD is engaged or not.

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[Willinak]

Obstacle avoidance has has been a love hate affair for me, especially on hyways. Road repairs can trigger a dangerous lurch. Also i believe it will pull over to let a close tailing car by.

 

[OB-1]

Agree with all the speed limit issues. Since FSD 14, CT gives lane change indicator but doesn’t change lanes even when the lane is free and it’s not even a needed lane change!

I’m seeing the same behavior in 14.2. Very in indecisive lane changes, for no reason. Seems to have regressed since 14.1 which was much better. I haven’t experienced as much of the speed limit issues in the Houston area. I will say overall the pucker factor of FSD has gone down.

 

[SteelMyHeart]

14.2 has neutered the speed profiles compared to 14.1 for sure. I also agree the speed limit sign recognition is flawed in this edition.

Tesla is clearly trying with these speed profiles to increase autonomy by decreasing the amount of times you have to touch any controls during the drive, i.e. one scroll wheel turn instead of 5 or 10 to change speeds.

The explanation that grok gives for the speed profiles posted earlier in this thread may be right in theory but in practice 14.2 is not following that. I just drove in hurry mode today and it went 5 mph over speed limit entire time, which is what standard was on 14.1.

The solution is to make each named speed profile customizable for each driver. So my standard mode may be +5 by my choice whereas someone else's may be at speed limit. Could probably set +12 mph as max for Mad Max but otherwise let every other profile float for customization.

This solves every issue: less scroll wheel touches, happier drivers and it takes regulatory scrutiny away from Tesla for Mad Max being too fast etc. and puts the onus on the owner to set their speed profiles themselves.

 

[hemiarch]

Ok. Does anyone but me think 14.2 is a substantial improvement over 14.1?
I have no regrets about the download/install

 

[Korben Dallas]

Any driver of an autonomous vehicle MUST TRUST the underlying system BEFORE ever engaging it. Trust doesn’t just happen, it’s something that takes time to develop through positive interaction between people, and in the case of FSD, people & machines.

If we have even one doubt that FSD will not do its job without human intervention, then the entire premise of unsupervised autonomous driving should be in question.

This may be a poor example, but airplane pilots have been using ‘Autopilot’ since being introduced back 1912. I think I can say accurately that it probably took years for pilots back then to trust this new system, however, it was always supervised by the pilot & he/she could taken control immediately if needed. That system is way more complicated now, however, an airplane pilot always has the ability to change speed, direction, & altitude when needed, no questions asked. There’s never a ‘No, the only way to do that is to completely disengage me first’, when all the pilot needs to do is dial in the change(s) & let autopilot do all the heavy lifting.

What would an airline pilot say to Tesla’s ‘I know what’s best for you my children’, attitude? Forgive the pun, but I doubt it would ever get off the ground.

The FSD community needs to trust Elon’s wonderful brainchild before we can actually relax, perhaps even sleep, during that 500 mile drive. And IMO it all starts with us and a honest dialogue with Tesla regarding safety & other important input.

So until Elon & Tesla build TRUST that FSD will get us & our families to our destinations safely, alive & well, then I believe truly unsupervised autonomous driving will not be fully embraced by the FSD community.

There’s simply too much at stake & too much to lose.

Sorry, but this was much longer than I had envisioned.

 

[hemiarch]

Any driver of an autonomous vehicle MUST TRUST the underlying system BEFORE ever engaging it. Trust doesn’t just happen, it’s something that takes time to develop through positive interaction between people, and in the case of FSD, people & machines.

If we have even one doubt that FSD will not do its job without human intervention, then the entire premise of unsupervised autonomous driving should be in question.

This may be a poor example, but airplane pilots have been using ‘Autopilot’ since being introduced back 1912. I think I can say accurately that it probably took years for pilots back then to trust this new system, however, it was always supervised by the pilot & he/she could taken control immediately if needed. That system is way more complicated now, however, an airplane pilot always has the ability to change speed, direction, & altitude when needed, no questions asked. There’s never a ‘No, the only way to do that is to completely disengage me first’, when all the pilot needs to do is dial in the change(s) & let autopilot do all the heavy lifting.

What would an airline pilot say to Tesla’s ‘I know what’s best for you my children’, attitude? Forgive the pun, but I doubt it would ever get off the ground.

The FSD community needs to trust Elon’s wonderful brainchild before we can actually relax, perhaps even sleep, during that 500 mile drive. And IMO it all starts with us and a honest dialogue with Tesla regarding safety & other important input.

So until Elon & Tesla build TRUST that FSD will get us & our families to our destinations safely, alive & well, then I believe truly unsupervised autonomous driving will not be fully embraced by the FSD community.

There’s simply too much at stake & too much to lose.

Sorry, but this was much longer than I had envisioned.

Trust will grow exponentially once people ride in robotaxis. Waymo has been instrumental for me in gaining that trust.

 

[ABILISK]

Ok. Does anyone but me think 14.2 is a substantial improvement over 14.1?
I have no regrets about the download/install

Nope, think you’re by yourself on that lol

 

[Griswold]

Ok. Does anyone but me think 14.2 is a substantial improvement over 14.1?
I have no regrets about the download/install

I agree it's a substantial improvement

 

[hemiarch]

Nope, think you’re by yourself on that lol

 

[pla]

Ok. Does anyone but me think 14.2 is a substantial improvement over 14.1?
I have no regrets about the download/install

Yes, I think it is a big improvement. I drove about 350 miles (a lot of highway, a lot of rural driving, a little downtown) over the holiday. I didn't touch anything while driving (a little bit for parking), it was absolutely perfect.

 

[Squidjigger]

It looks like everyone is seeing the things that need fixing - like real soon. I hope someone at Tesla is keeping track of what is being said here. I also wonder if anyone is listening to the comments I send every time I have to take over (Grok is that you???).

I think taking nap while using FSD may take a while. I hope it's in my lifetime.

I guess I've been lucky. I haven't run into any of what I would call dangerous situations, so far. The speed limits in navigation have always had lots of errors in my area. I learned to deal with it but V14 did make it harder.

The most annoying thing for me with 14.2, is my truck is now trying to park at my neighbor's house when I send it "Home". It used to park in front of my garage. My neighbors live an eighth of mile down the road. Both our addresses show correctly on the navigation screen. It also now shows the 1/4 mile of unpaved county road to my house is 55mph and tries and drive it at about 25mph in chill mode. It used to go slower. 25mph slings too much mud and gravel. I'm just thankful my truck is smart enough to not try to drive 55mph down a one and a half lane, muddy, and rutted dirt road with barbed wire fence on either side.

Just installed 14.2.1. Hope it's a good patch. I'll see if my truck can actually take me back home tomorrow like it used to. I had my truck a while before FSD rolled out. No way I want to be without it even if it has a few quirks, but it would be nice to fix the big issues quickly.

Maybe if we're good, we'll get something nice for Christmas - HO, HO, HO

 

[pla]

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[tbuck]

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[hemiarch]

Love it! Used it!

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