Range Anxiety, Ha! Cybertruck performing far above expectations and vs F-150 Raptor

[Crissa]

you have inadvertently confirmed that you were wrong when you suggested that canceling reservations could not result in others getting their CyberTruck sooner….case closed.

Uhh... What are you even talking about now?

Reservations are used to line up orders. Orders are delivered on a completely different schedule, never held back by reservations - that!s why there is a gap of weeks to months between configuring an order and receiving the trucks.

In no way does the number of reservations change the speed at which any order is filled. They're just entries on a database until they're converted to orders.

Orders, on the other hand, require legal paperwork to be prepared. For Sales and Service staff to interact with them and assign vins, purchase agreements, titles, license registration, arrange delivery etc.

-Crissa

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[CyberFreak]

Ehh, sitting on a reservation doesn't slow anyone from getting a truck.

-Crissa

Uhh... What are you even talking about now?

Reservations are used to line up orders. Orders are delivered on a completely different schedule, never held back by reservations - that!s why there is a gap of weeks to months between configuring an order and receiving the trucks.

In no way does the number of reservations change the speed at which any order is filled. They're just entries on a database until they're converted to orders.

Orders, on the other hand, require legal paperwork to be prepared. For Sales and Service staff to interact with them and assign vins, purchase agreements, titles, license registration, arrange delivery etc.

-Crissa

I already explained how your logic is flawed with my example…clearly it didn’t sink in….so I’m happy to repeat it:

If I place a reservation TODAY, my expected delivery date would likely be well into 2025…According to your flawed logic, even if EVERY RESERVATION WERE CANCELLED except for mine, my CyberTruck would not be delivered any sooner…

if you still can’t see the flaw in your position then you may need more help than could be administered in this forum…??‍

 

[Crissa]

I already explained how your logic is flawed with my example…clearly it didn’t sink in….so I’m happy to repeat it:

If I place a reservation TODAY, my expected delivery date would likely be well into 2025…According to your flawed logic, even if EVERY RESERVATION WERE CANCELLED except for mine, my CyberTruck would not be delivered any sooner…

if you still can’t see the flaw in your position then you may need more help than could be administered in this forum…??‍

...That's because there are orders, not because there are reservations. There are two separate lines.

You failed to explain that.

-Crissa

 

[CyberFreak]

...That's because there are orders, not because there are reservations. There are two separate lines.

You failed to explain that.

-Crissa

To be clear, you are still sticking to your flawed position that the delivery of the Cybertruck would NOT be accelerated if every reservation were cancelled except for mine (in the example I gave)….??‍

 

[Crissa]

To be clear, you are still sticking to your flawed position that the delivery of the Cybertruck would NOT be accelerated if every reservation were cancelled except for mine (in the example I gave)….??‍

And you still don't understand how your example shows there's literally two lines and reservations don't slow someone's truck delivery.

If every reservation passed, you still won't get your truck until they fill the orders they've queued up.

-Crissa

 

[CyberFreak]

And you still don't understand how your example shows there's literally two lines and reservations don't slow someone's truck delivery.

-Crissa

Your desperation to reduce the embarrassment of your flawed position has forced you to resort to a strawman, again…this is your MO every time I point out your mistakes…it is a character flaw and I suggest getting help to resolve it…

In the meantime I never wrote that there are not 2 lines—nor did I suggest it.
I merely pointed out that a reduction in reservations could impact the time to delivery of the CyberTruck…the fact that you cannot grasp such a simple concept (as detailed in my example above) is telling….??‍

 

[Crissa]

Your desperation ...

I know I shouldn't respond to someone being a troll, but at no point in this bizarre exchange have I insulted you.

In the meantime I never wrote that there are not 2 lines—nor did I suggest it.

But that's the problem: There are two lines. A reservation line and an order line.

You started this by asserting that someone having a reservation (like myself) and not configuring an order wasted Tesla's time and delayed your truck.

Easy solution: either pay up for the range extender or get your $100 back and free up a reservation space for someone who actually would be happy to take your spot.

Ehh, sitting on a reservation doesn't slow anyone from getting a truck.

This is the exchange. Where is the straw?

The number of reservations which do not convert to orders do not change when you will get a truck. This is why reservations now say, 'will ship in 2025', even though there are reservations for many times more trucks than they just said they are capable of building in 2025.

If the configuration isn't available, reservations won't convert to orders, and won't delay the trucks getting to those whose configurations are available to order.

-Crissa

 

[CyberFreak]

I know I shouldn't respond to someone being a troll, but at no point in this bizarre exchange have I insulted you.


But that's the problem: There are two lines. A reservation line and an order line.

You started this by asserting that someone having a reservation (like myself) and not configuring an order wasted Tesla's time and delayed your truck.




This is the exchange. Where is the straw?

The number of reservations which do not convert to orders do not change when you will get a truck. This is why reservations now say, 'will ship in 2025', even though there are reservations for many times more trucks than they just said they are capable of building in 2025.

If the configuration isn't available, reservations won't convert to orders, and won't delay the trucks getting to those whose configurations are available to order.

-Crissa

do I really have to continually spoon feed you the flaw in your logic?

So be it…

If I place a reservation TODAY, my expected delivery date would likely be well into 2025…According to your flawed logic, even if EVERY RESERVATION WERE CANCELLED except for mine, my CyberTruck would not be delivered any sooner…

but the fact is, anyone with at least half a brain could understand that the delivery of my CyberTruck in the above example would be pushed up as a direct result from Cancelled Reservations…

 

[Crissa]

do I really have to continually spoon feed you the flaw in your logic?

So be it…

If I place a reservation TODAY, my expected delivery date would likely be well into 2025…According to your flawed logic, even if EVERY RESERVATION WERE CANCELLED except for mine, my CyberTruck would not be delivered any sooner…

but the fact is, anyone with at least half a brain could understand that the delivery of my CyberTruck in the above example would be pushed up as a direct result from Cancelled Reservations…

I haven't changed my position: unconverted reservations don't delay your truck.

You haven't 'spoon fed' any logic, since you haven't used any.

Reservation line is automated.
Order line is not.

Order line determines when trucks get delivered. This requires Sales and Service personnel to use hours to prepare the order. People interacting with Service or Sales personnel slow how many deliveries can be made.

Reservations are when you get to configure. People interacting with the configurator do not use up personnel time, and hence, don't slow how many orders can be configured every week.

Conclusion: Unconverted reservations do not delay anyone's truck from being being delivered.

-Crissa

 

[CyberFreak]

I haven't changed my position: unconverted reservations don't delay your truck.

-Crissa

I clearly showed how they would in my example…your inability to grasp that simple concept is telling for all readers to see…and it is why your opinions carry little weight with me….

 

[Crissa]

I clearly showed how they would in my example…your inability to grasp that simple concept is telling for all readers to see…and it is why your opinions carry little weight with me….

You did not.

How does someone not ordering a truck while sitting on their reservation slow your order?

-Crissa

 

[CyberFreak]

You did not.

How does someone not ordering a truck while sitting on their reservation slow your order?

-Crissa

Here is your original quote (note you didn’t make a distinction between order or reservation):

Ehh, sitting on a reservation doesn't slow anyone from getting a truck.

-Crissa

As I already wrote numerous times, cancellation of Reservations can accelerate when someone further down the line would receive their truck sooner…


I will repost the example since it doesn’t appear to have quite sunk in for you yet…

If I place a reservation TODAY, my expected delivery date would likely be well into 2025…According to your flawed logic, even if EVERY RESERVATION WERE CANCELLED except for mine, my CyberTruck would not be delivered any sooner…

but the fact is, anyone with at least half a brain could understand that the delivery of my CyberTruck in the above example would be pushed up as a direct result from Cancelled Reservations…

 

[Woodrick]

Easy solution: either pay up for the range extender or get your $100 back and free up a reservation space for someone who actually would be happy to take your spot.

Ehh, sitting on a reservation doesn't slow anyone from getting a truck.

-Crissa

Okay, I'm going to go back to the beginning.

@Crissa, It is generally assumed that those who have reservation numbers higher than yours are "behind you" in line and that if someone in front of you removes their reservation, then you move closer to getting one.
But that does assume that a reservation gets turned into an order. But there is a fair assumption that the reservation will get converted, after all, it's a reservation to do so.
And just to drive a point, if I have 100 reservations from my local delivery center in front of me, and they all turn into orders, I have to wait longer than if there were 2 reservations that got turned into orders.

@CyberFreak As I was thumbing back to find the start of this "war on words" I saw some really rude, unhelpful responses from you. If you want to back up your story, use facts, not insults.

So, is summary, you are both right and you are both wrong. Let it lie!!!

 

[CyberFreak]

Okay, I'm going to go back to the beginning.

@Crissa, It is generally assumed that those who have reservation numbers higher than yours are "behind you" in line and that if someone in front of you removes their reservation, then you move closer to getting one.
But that does assume that a reservation gets turned into an order. But there is a fair assumption that the reservation will get converted, after all, it's a reservation to do so.
And just to drive a point, if I have 100 reservations from my local delivery center in front of me, and they all turn into orders, I have to wait longer than if there were 2 reservations that got turned into orders.

@CyberFreak As I was thumbing back to find the start of this "war on words" I saw some really rude, unhelpful responses from you. If you want to back up your story, use facts, not insults.

So, is summary, you are both right and you are both wrong. Let it lie!!!

I’m correct on the objective facts.

If you don’t like my tone that’s subjective and I respect your opinion…

cheers!

 

[Crissa]

Here is your original quote (note you didn’t make a distinction between order or reservation):

Ehh, sitting on a reservation doesn't slow anyone from getting a truck.

...Pretty sure that said 'reservation' and not 'order' and you very specifically had told someone to get their $100 back if they weren't going to order.

Easy solution: either pay up for the range extender or get your $100 back and free up a reservation space for someone who actually would be happy to take your spot.

Nope, you totally said 'reservation space' and '$100'.

As I already wrote numerous times, cancellation of Reservations can accelerate when someone further down the line would receive their truck sooner…

As you have written many times, and yet, so far, you still haven't explained how someone sitting on their reservation and not ordering slows anyone's truck.

The reservations that matter are the ones that order. Not the ones that don't.

Cancellations actually take up time as they have to send back the $100.

-Crissa

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