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[NXTruck]

This is also energy independence ??

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[UberNoob]

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[Woodrick]

This is also energy independence ??

But isn't that kind of like saying that after you bought the Cybertruck it is free?

How many years is it going to take charging the truck before it becomes less than the price of gas? 100 years?


But congrats on getting everything setup!

 

[FitNess]

The cost of independence is priceless. Great work!

 

[SSonnentag]

But isn't that kind of like saying that after you bought the Cybertruck it is free?

How many years is it going to take charging the truck before it becomes less than the price of gas? 100 years?


But congrats on getting everything setup!

That would depend on several factors. Which truck? How many miles do you drive each year?

I ran some 5-year total cost of ownership numbers based upon the miles I drive, my electricity price, current gas price ($2.99/gal), a $50 oil change every 10,000 miles, Arizona registration fees and insurance based solely upon the price of the trucks:

$113,721 -- 2024 Ford F-150 XLT - modestly appointed supercrew with the basic V6 engine, towing package, 4x4, bed cover and liner

$123,804 -- 2024 Tesla CyberTruck AWD Foundation Series

$183,400 -- 2024 Ford F-150 Raptor R with no added options


So based upon the F-150 XLT and AWD FS Cybertruck, the break even point would be roughly 7 years.

 

[Whmorken]

That would depend on several factors. Which truck? How many miles do you drive each year?

I ran some 5-year total cost of ownership numbers based upon the miles I drive, my electricity price, current gas price ($2.99/gal), a $50 oil change every 10,000 miles, Arizona registration fees and insurance based solely upon the price of the trucks:

$113,721 -- 2024 Ford F-150 XLT - modestly appointed supercrew with the basic V6 engine, towing package, 4x4, bed cover and liner

$123,804 -- 2024 Tesla CyberTruck AWD Foundation Series

$183,400 -- 2024 Ford F-150 Raptor R with no added options


So based upon the F-150 XLT and AWD FS Cybertruck, the break even point would be roughly 7 years.

This is also energy independence ??

Solar so perfect, so available, except where we are – lots’s of sun, yes, and for 3 seasons, but last we checked winter with severe ice and snow is tougher than the currently available solar roof tiles can reliably function and survive. Would love to be wrong!

 

[SCTesla]

That would depend on several factors. Which truck? How many miles do you drive each year?

I ran some 5-year total cost of ownership numbers based upon the miles I drive, my electricity price, current gas price ($2.99/gal), a $50 oil change every 10,000 miles, Arizona registration fees and insurance based solely upon the price of the trucks:

$113,721 -- 2024 Ford F-150 XLT - modestly appointed supercrew with the basic V6 engine, towing package, 4x4, bed cover and liner

$123,804 -- 2024 Tesla CyberTruck AWD Foundation Series

$183,400 -- 2024 Ford F-150 Raptor R with no added options


So based upon the F-150 XLT and AWD FS Cybertruck, the break even point would be roughly 7 years.

In SC EVs have to pay a road tax and registration is also more, but our energy prices are SUPER cheap. My annual registration is 2500 for the CT. It was like 1400 for a Platinum F150.

I did a calculation for Solar here, it would be like 30 years for it to pay itself off. I would if it made sense financially.

 

[firsttruck]

Solar so perfect, so available, except where we are – lots’s of sun, yes, and for 3 seasons, but last we checked winter with severe ice and snow is tougher than the currently available solar roof tiles can reliably function and survive. Would love to be wrong!

can't "survive"???

Why must they be solar of type "roof tiles" as opposed to standard standard solar panels used in numerous other severe ice and snow climates like those of Norway, Sweden, Canada, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, Upper New York State, etc. ?

 

[Lowcoe]

Here in San Diego we're paying $0.49 per kWh. Makes a lot of sense to have solar. Talking to my brother who just moved to Montana they are paying $.04 per kWh. Why bother

 

[Woodrick]

That would depend on several factors. Which truck? How many miles do you drive each year?

I ran some 5-year total cost of ownership numbers based upon the miles I drive, my electricity price, current gas price ($2.99/gal), a $50 oil change every 10,000 miles, Arizona registration fees and insurance based solely upon the price of the trucks:

$113,721 -- 2024 Ford F-150 XLT - modestly appointed supercrew with the basic V6 engine, towing package, 4x4, bed cover and liner

$123,804 -- 2024 Tesla CyberTruck AWD Foundation Series

$183,400 -- 2024 Ford F-150 Raptor R with no added options


So based upon the F-150 XLT and AWD FS Cybertruck, the break even point would be roughly 7 years.

Great numbers and such, but as is the subject of this thread, I was comparing it against the cost of installing the solar.

 

[SSonnentag]

Great numbers and such, but as is the subject of this thread, I was comparing it against the cost of installing the solar.

Oh! Not sure how I missed that. LOL! ?

 

[m_jorge]

can't "survive"???

Why must they be solar of type "roof tiles" as opposed to standard standard solar panels used in numerous other severe ice and snow climates like those of Norway, Sweden, Canada, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, Upper New York State, etc. ?

Minnesota native here. Yeah solar works just fine here in the winter time. But we only get about 37 inches (3' 1") of snow a year. Jackson Hole gets about 430 inches (35' 10") of snow. I think that the only way solar would work in Jackson would be if there were built in flamethrowers to take care of the snow.

 

[MadMaxTX]

That would depend on several factors. Which truck? How many miles do you drive each year?

I ran some 5-year total cost of ownership numbers based upon the miles I drive, my electricity price, current gas price ($2.99/gal), a $50 oil change every 10,000 miles, Arizona registration fees and insurance based solely upon the price of the trucks:

$113,721 -- 2024 Ford F-150 XLT - modestly appointed supercrew with the basic V6 engine, towing package, 4x4, bed cover and liner

$123,804 -- 2024 Tesla CyberTruck AWD Foundation Series

$183,400 -- 2024 Ford F-150 Raptor R with no added options


So based upon the F-150 XLT and AWD FS Cybertruck, the break even point would be roughly 7 years.

Very nice. Only comment is that maintenance on ICE is much higher (once warranty period expires). That one reason I moved from BMW X5M to CT. No $50 oil changes! I never got out for less than $2k-$3k, every time they saw me coming. Our experience with Teslas is very good. Really, nothing other than replacing a few tires with nails in them, going back to 2018. Before that, same story with Nissan Leaf. The leaf was a neighborhood car, for sure. But it was cheap to operate. Our cost of ownership was very low on both of those cars. Of course the jury is out on the real battery cost. Early reports (not really that early) seem to indicate that Tesla batteries maintain value better than expected, but that story is still TBD. We won't know until there are regular 3rd party battery repair/replacement options. I am sure these will come and will bring the price down. Having said that, we didn't do this for cost issues.

 

[DJAlan2000]

Solar so perfect, so available, except where we are – lots’s of sun, yes, and for 3 seasons, but last we checked winter with severe ice and snow is tougher than the currently available solar roof tiles can reliably function and survive. Would love to be wrong!

You do know that PLENTY of people in 'cold weather area's' have solar, right?

Also, you don't have to buy solar ROOF TILES, you can get PANELS for a LOT LESS and they will generate more power too (if they are efficient ones).

I JUST put in a 10.8 kWh system and it's AWESOME! Don't have to pay ANYTHING anymore to SCE except for the 'meter' and government taxes of course. BUT, because I am under NEM 2.0 (grandfathered because I got approval last March) I can sell EXCESS solar back to them at the retail rates, so, at end of year, I shouldn't have ANY bill at all! BUT, we'll see. I don't have any figures for winter here yet, but summertime is looking awesome! Right now I don't have PTO (any day now) so my solar system charges up my 2 PowerWall-3's and then basically just 'slows down' to only making enough power to run the house (usually around 1 kWh) around 12 noon... So, it COULD keep producing until around 6pm for me.

OH, and keep in mind that just because it's winter doesn't mean every day is cloudy enough NOT to make any solar power. Heck, we get FOG here where I live but even then my solar system makes enough to power my HOME at least.

 

[Woodrick]

You do know that PLENTY of people in 'cold weather area's' have solar, right?

Also, you don't have to buy solar ROOF TILES, you can get PANELS for a LOT LESS and they will generate more power too (if they are efficient ones).

I JUST put in a 10.8 kWh system and it's AWESOME! Don't have to pay ANYTHING anymore to SCE except for the 'meter' and government taxes of course. BUT, because I am under NEM 2.0 (grandfathered because I got approval last March) I can sell EXCESS solar back to them at the retail rates, so, at end of year, I shouldn't have ANY bill at all! BUT, we'll see. I don't have any figures for winter here yet, but summertime is looking awesome! Right now I don't have PTO (any day now) so my solar system charges up my 2 PowerWall-3's and then basically just 'slows down' to only making enough power to run the house (usually around 1 kWh) around 12 noon... So, it COULD keep producing until around 6pm for me.

OH, and keep in mind that just because it's winter doesn't mean every day is cloudy enough NOT to make any solar power. Heck, we get FOG here where I live but even then my solar system makes enough to power my HOME at least.

Cold weather isn't the problem. Snow cover is.

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