TESLA is Cancelling Cybertruck FS Orders - No Refunds - Sign the Petition

[GuyV]

It's the American way.

It's not a debt, Tesla has their money.

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[GnarlyDudeLive]

All of it is unsold until the buyer forks over the cash. Unassigned... Well, they have people waiting for VINs, so they match those up.

There is still a loss when they have to do that shuffle, though. It isn't free.

-Crissa

Exactly, and there still could be transportation costs involved as well if it was delivered to the intended service center for the original order. If said service center is in a lower volume area, they may need to reship it again to another service center in order to be reassigned.

 

[dalton108]

Well I didn't want to come back to this thread, but you come off as such a pompous person its hard to just let go. There are multiple things you have said that are incorrect, and I am likely missing more.

1) You trying to ridicule OP for wanting a refund, when they in fact are not asking for a refund.


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2) You were insistent that it is the buyer who is cancelling the order. Yet Tesla says they will cancel the order if you breach the agreement.

"If you cancel your order or breach this Agreement and we cancel your order, you agree that we may retain as liquidated damages the Order Fee, Order Deposit and Transportation Fee, to the extent not otherwise prohibited by law."


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You are human, we all make mistakes and are wrong occasionally. I know I am at times. You have been wrong multiple times already in this thread. Its ok. Be more humble and accept it, instead of trying to talk down everyone and acting superior, its a bad look.

Uhh huh. What’s missing from your delayed rant unnecessarily dragging this out is where I “ridiculed OP for demanding a refund.” What I said was that the entire petition was idiotic. It remains so.

You’re confusing my post with other people’s posts. The only thing I didn’t realize is was OP had his vehicle.

As far as the contract language, what you fail to realize is - I didn’t read the agreement. I didn’t need to and the minor difference you’re pointing out is immaterial. I just told you how contracts work. The fact that the exact words that I used ended up largely lining up with the actual contract language is only evidence that I understand how contracts work (kind of at the level that a lawyer would, because that’s what I am). I just don’t care if that gives you and other people the sads - it’s your problem - deal with it.

Contract law, as I’ve said before, is CENTURIES old. There isn’t any way that you can try to breach a contract that hasn’t happened in the 500 or so years since the Statute of Frauds was codified.

I’m infinitely disinterested in your opinion as to whether I come across as pompous. I am not here to coddle people suffering delusions of adequacy.

The facts are simple, indisputable and not changed by anything that you’ve said. Here they are again for the final time:

If you (1) enter into an agreement, and (2) put down earnest money to demonstrate your intent to follow through with that agreement and then (3) decide to breach that agreement, the victim of your breach in this case the seller (Tesla) is entitled to convert your earnest money into liquidated damages as outlined in the agreement. Further, the agreement in writing is not modifiable orally (even in California) without documentation and attestation by the parties to the agreement.

If Tesla wants to be “nice” to these people, excuse their breach and accommodate them in some way, it's entirely up to them and I just couldn’t care any less if they decide to do that.

I do care about one thing, accuracy. So, when some armchair expert comes around talking about how somebody can modify that contract orally via some minion in Narnia, I’m not going to just let that stand. When someone comes around with petition and the unmitigated gaul to act like they’ve been harmed, likewise, I’m going to make sure that it’s understood by anyone who wants to know the truth that they are in fact “the baddie” who has breached their legally binding promise - also known as - a contract.

Beyond that, I’ve nothing further to say. Be well. You’re muted.

 

[dalton108]

It's not a debt, Tesla has their money.

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The damages have been liquidated. Hence the name. ?

 

[Pops]

Uhh huh. What’s missing from your delayed rant unnecessarily dragging this out is where I “ridiculed OP for demanding a refund.” What I said was that the entire petition was idiotic. It remains so.

You’re confusing my post with other people’s posts. The only thing I didn’t realize is was OP had his vehicle.

As far as the contract language, what you fail to realize is - I didn’t read the agreement. I didn’t need to and the minor difference you’re pointing out is immaterial. I just told you how contracts work. The fact that the exact words that I used ended up largely lining up with the actual contract language is only evidence that I understand how contracts work (kind of at the level that a lawyer would, because that’s what I am). I just don’t care if that gives you and other people the sads - it’s your problem - deal with it.

Contract law, as I’ve said before, is CENTURIES old. There isn’t any way that you can try to breach a contract that hasn’t happened in the 500 or so years since the Statute of Frauds was codified.

I’m infinitely disinterested in your opinion as to whether I come across as pompous. I am not here to coddle people suffering delusions of adequacy.

The facts are simple, indisputable and not changed by anything that you’ve said. Here they are again for the final time:

If you (1) enter into an agreement, and (2) put down earnest money to demonstrate your intent to follow through with that agreement and then (3) decide to breach that agreement, the victim of your breach in this case the seller (Tesla) is entitled to convert your earnest money into liquidated damages as outlined in the agreement. Further, the agreement in writing is not modifiable orally (even in California) without documentation and attestation by the parties to the agreement.

If Tesla wants to be “nice” to these people, excuse their breach and accommodate them in some way, it's entirely up to them and I just couldn’t care any less if they decide to do that.

I do care about one thing, accuracy. So, when some armchair expert comes around talking about how somebody can modify that contract orally via some minion in Narnia, I’m not going to just let that stand. When someone comes around with petition and the unmitigated gaul to act like they’ve been harmed, likewise, I’m going to make sure that it’s understood by anyone who wants to know the truth that they are in fact “the baddie” who has breached their legally binding promise - also known as - a contract.

Beyond that, I’ve nothing further to say. Be well. You’re muted.

There is no more clear sign of victory than someone taking their ball and going home. I am muted because after he said he is always right, irrebuttable and has "unassailable accuracy" I pointed out at least 2 mistakes he made. All he did was make excuses for his errors.

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[Protondecay123]

There is no more clear sign of victory than someone taking their ball and going home. I am muted because after he said he is always right, irrebuttable and has "unassailable accuracy" I pointed out at least 2 mistakes he made. All he did was make excuses for his errors.

Hilarious

There’s never a victory with a click bait troll.

 

[Crissa]

Exactly, and there still could be transportation costs involved as well if it was delivered to the intended service center for the original order. If said service center is in a lower volume area, they may need to reship it again to another service center in order to be reassigned.

It also needs to be checked out again in case it had faults or suffered damage in storage or transit... basically they have to do all the prep stuff over again and sometimes then some.

-Crissa

 

[ChiefBrody]

You obviously didn't read or comprehend the thread.

They are saying that Tesla is telling people to accept their order or cancelling it, keeping the deposit to those not wanting a Foundation Series.

I read the thread, but I misunderstood part of the thread involving cancellations. However, now that I'm understanding the part you pointed out, that makes this thread even more ridiculous, and the poster clearly has major regrets about his decision for some reason.

 

[Crissa]

I read the thread, but
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the poster clearly has major regrets about his decision for some reason.

Your second sentence seems to contradict your first. The OP did not regret his purchase.

-Crissa

 

[ChiefBrody]

Your second sentence seems to contradict your first. The OP did not regret his purchase.

-Crissa

Of course he regrets his decision to order. Why else would someone start a petition over something he's literally lying about. You can't reserve a non-FS Cybertruck right now. This makes zero sense. Whoever placed an actual order chose to order an FS series Cybertruck. Tesla isn't forcing anybody to accept delivery of something they did not order.

This was not a reservation as the OP stated. Reservations were only $200 in the beginning and then went down to $100 later on - and they are 100% refundable and commit you to nothing. You have to order a CT to get an actual delivery date estimate and place the deposit down then.

This really is absurd. Tesla has done absolutely nothing wrong in this situation and this OP is being very dishonest about the situation.

 

[Crissa]

Of course he regrets his decision to order. Why else would someone start a petition...

...Because he has empathy?

Also, he already has a truck...



Back in what, January? He doesn't have time to argue with you.

-Crissa

 

[Outdoors]

It also needs to be checked out again in case it had faults or suffered damage in storage or transit... basically they have to do all the prep stuff over again and sometimes then some.

-Crissa

Not reading much of the dribble here, but if a truck is delivered to a SC that is not delivered is kind of like a fail. Ever read a thread about a vin that is much lower, and someone questioning quality or why I am not getting a new one. Shipping a product twice is a no no in retail. Yes cars are retail folks.

 

[Crissa]

Not reading much of the dribble here, but if a truck is delivered to a SC that is not delivered is kind of like a fail. Ever read a thread about a vin that is much lower, and someone questioning quality or why I am not getting a new one. Shipping a product twice is a no no in retail. Yes cars are retail folks.

Yeah, it's still a new car, even if someone else walked away from it before.

-Crissa

 

[ChiefBrody]

...Because he has empathy?

Also, he already has a truck...



Back in what, January? He doesn't have time to argue with you.

-Crissa

Okay, I'm wrong about that if he has a CT.

Empathy for someone who couldn't control their impulses? It's much better for them to lose the deposit. Maybe they won't repeat the behavior again and fell less entitled to be able to break agreements.

 

[Outdoors]

Yeah, it's still a new car, even if someone else walked away from it before.

-Crissa

Exactly. Yet if one got a VIN 5000 lower than new VIN's they might think i is a reject. It could be someone that pushed the button and significant other said WTF are you doing. Nothing wrong with truck. Yet that is one of the reasons Tesla has provisions like this.

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