FSD is not good enough for me. Sorry

[spikebuffy]

I understand it's the best thing out there for the moment in terms of being close to autonomous but it certainly isn't good enough yet to drive itself without interventions in urban areas. If Robotaxis is the same as FSD 12.5.5, it would be highly risky I think. I love Tesla so I really want it to be good but it cuts corners too sharply and also misses things that it cannot classify such as plastic roadsigns that stick up in the middle of the street (it does see cones and other objects though). As an example of a dangerous scenario, mine made a turn and instead of going on the road, it went onto a local light rail track and followed that path instead which could be disastrous if one happened to have been oncoming.

Just remember that these models are more tuned for the influencers areas versus us regular folk. I'm sure they gather as much data as possible from those 10-20 people plus the Tesla executives.

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[SCTesla]

I'll wager that they announce 2 cities on 10/10 for initial testing, and it will be slated for Q1 2025.

They will probably have a couple hundred units available for it.

They may announce 2 cities, but I doubt it's for Q1 2025 as a driverless option. There's already 2 leaks out that the first few deployments of Tesla's ride hailing will be with Teslas and supervised FSD which will act as a safety driver for future driverless deployment, when it's ready.

 

[spikebuffy]

There's going to be a dangerous period between when the FSD improves to the point where it rarely needs interactions, and the point where it's flawless. During that time some drivers will become overly complacent.

Part of me wonders what would happen if you just refused to intervene in the sketchy scenarios.

 

[SCTesla]

Part of me wonders what would happen if you just refused to intervene in the sketchy scenarios.

There are plenty of videos of FSD hitting cars, medians, signs, curbs, going the wrong way, etc. When people said "I thought it would just figure it out". They are almost always criticized to not doing their job in supervising a L2 ADAS system.

I haven't seen any car collision videos since the early build of V12, but there were a ton with V11. A bunch of curbs/medians in V12, even with 12.5.X.

 

[REM]

They may announce 2 cities, but I doubt it's for Q1 2025 as a driverless option. There's already 2 leaks out that the first few deployments of Tesla's ride hailing will be with Teslas and supervised FSD which will act as a safety driver for future driverless deployment, when it's ready.

Waymo also had drivers at first. Won't take them too long to take the training wheels off. In fact, it may be a certification requirement. Same for the Boring Tunnels in Vegas.

 

[pilotbeagle]

I understand it's the best thing out there for the moment in terms of being close to autonomous but it certainly isn't good enough yet to drive itself without interventions in urban areas. If Robotaxis is the same as FSD 12.5.5, it would be highly risky I think. I love Tesla so I really want it to be good but it cuts corners too sharply and also misses things that it cannot classify such as plastic roadsigns that stick up in the middle of the street (it does see cones and other objects though). As an example of a dangerous scenario, mine made a turn and instead of going on the road, it went onto a local light rail track and followed that path instead which could be disastrous if one happened to have been oncoming.

I've been using some form of Autopilot and/or FSD for the past 7 years. The Cybertruck is my fourth Tesla. The latest FSD release for the Cybertruck is outstanding...extremely smooth! As a former USAF and Commercial Airline Test Pilot...I am impressed with the latest FSD product!

 

[REM]

There are plenty of videos of FSD hitting cars, medians, signs, curbs, going the wrong way, etc. When people said "I thought it would just figure it out". They are almost always criticized to not doing their job in supervising a L2 ADAS system.

I haven't seen any car collision videos since the early build of V12, but there were a ton with V11. A bunch of curbs/medians in V12, even with 12.5.X.

I haven't seen any. Can you post your best examples?

 

[SCTesla]

Waymo also had drivers at first. Won't take them too long to take the training wheels off. In fact, it may be a certification requirement. Same for the Boring Tunnels in Vegas.

I think it will be a few years until we see driverless RT. Just judging by where we are with FSD now.

I suppose there could be a breakthrough with V13, which most thought would come with V12, but no one knows.

I do know that Tesla hasn't even applied for driverless in California, yet, so I don't believe they think they are close to deploying there.

 

[igs]

I haven't seen any. Can you post your best examples?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/15/tes...-fsd-beta-videos-as-ai-addict-on-youtube.html

 

[REM]

I think it will be a few years until we see driverless RT. Just judging by where we are with FSD now.

I suppose there could be a breakthrough with V13, which most thought would come with V12, but no one knows.

I do know that Tesla hasn't even applied for driverless in California, yet, so I don't believe they think they are close to deploying there.

Not all application processes of this magnitude are posted publicly due to SEC rules and regulations. It's possible that they have already completed paperwork and are waiting to announce it on 10/10.

 

[REM]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/15/tes...-fsd-beta-videos-as-ai-addict-on-youtube.html

Really? A mainstream news article lmao?! I'm going to need an actual video and timestamp to review.

 

[igs]

Part of me wonders what would happen if you just refused to intervene in the sketchy scenarios.

FSD will disengage right before impact blaming you for this accident saying see FSD wasn't even on when you crashed.

 

[SCTesla]

I haven't seen any. Can you post your best examples?

Most are on the FB FSD Beta tester group, almost all were on left turns. There's some on TMC, the one famous one that delayed V12 was removed from X by Elon probably has videos on Reddit, but they occur. Telsa reports them to the NHTSA. From January 2018 to August 2023 there were 956 accidents on cars with AP or FSD and 29 deaths. The report doesn't separate the mode, which IMO is bullshit, but they are reported by Tesla to the NHTSA, so I don't think the numbers are incorrect.

You can search and find them, but as I said vehicle to vehicle accidents are seemingly rare on V12, a lot of curbs and going the wrong way (Chuck showed this in the CT with 12.5.5 and dirty showed it going over a median).

It's the nature of having the public test something new. There's some bad builds like 12.4 and super bad builds like 10.3, but Tesla usually halts the rollout and makes changes.

FSD has a ton of easily searchable videos of running redlights. For a while with V11 the newer led lights would display as flashing red and the car would just go through them, but that appears to be resolved.

It's still a developing product. It's way better than when I first tested, but has a ways to go. As I've said like 10 times, it's still not programmed to detect or react to school zones, school busses, special no right on red rules, and has issues with minimum speed limit signs and complex scenarios like a stop sign near a red light, the vehicle prioritizes the stop sign over the light, even if it's for a fork and not the lane you are in.

It's getting there.

 

[igs]

Really? A mainstream news article lmao?! I'm going to need an actual video and timestamp to review.

Did you visit his Youtube channel? Beside spoon feeding do you need us to wipe your ass too?

 

[SCTesla]

Really? A mainstream news article lmao?! I'm going to need an actual video and timestamp to review.

That one was pretty famous, he was actually fired from Tesla for posting it. He was an employee. To be fair, he violated his NDA.

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