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I still favor a diesel rig for any kind of distance hauling. But besides that I find CT does almost everything better.
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I’m unclear on exactly what your point is..

if we stay in the past we will never progress to the future… therefore today we are comparing the capabilities of the current trucks available..
Sandy has been saying Cybertruck not going to be a "work" truck since at least 2020.

I addressed the recent part (last year) too. Is 2023 now too ancient?

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more outlets in the Frunk with big power also. More room in the Frunk as well.. More versatile bed options in the TailGate..

Could be a few reasons why F150L is ā€˜more’ of a work truck

A combined total of over 2 million full-size "work" pickup trucks are sold by Ford, Chevy/GMC, RAM, Toyota, Nissan every year and probably 99% of these trucks have NO frunk (hybrid do not have frunks) and probably 97% of these trucks have NOT even a single long duration high watt 120V electrical outlet (power from hybrid sized battery or EV battery).
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Understood.. I think (as well as others here) he is comparing it to others available now and giving his opinion on which following each will cater best to…

we really don’t need ā€˜his blessing’ to put our CuberTrucks to work… I don’t understand why everyone is caught up in his words..

That being said, I think this (his) critique is correct.. however my CT will do all of my work truck stuff.. sandy is not the boss of me… ?
 

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To put this post into perspective, I've used pickups in many varied jobs over the years. As a young man, as a middle-aged man, usually my employers work trucks. Construction sites, commercial fishing, farming, landscaping and equipment and materials deliveries.

The legacy trucks still have more intuitive built-in towing utilities than the CT.
I think this is splitting hairs. Legacy trucks have bigger mirrors, and often they extend for towing. That said, I've towed many big loads with small non-extending mirrors and never thought they were inadequate. The Cybertruck has more towing capacity, and tows a heavy load more securely, than any of the current crop of EV pickups, due to it's more rigid frame. It simply doesn't flex as much when a heavy trailer pushes back.

They have more nooks and crannies in the cab for storage. More space in the cab for a crew, file boxes, work gear, etc.
I don't get this at all. None of the "work trucks" I used through my working career had a crew cab, they were for towing and hauling lots of stuff. They had a higher ratio of bed space to cab space. File boxes? We never had those with us and in 2024 it would be even less likely. Nooks and crannies? They would just collect dirt and require employee time to clean out periodically and find the owner of left behind items. We put our dirty work gloves on the floor of the cab. Lunches stayed with us. We did not spend our day stashing things in nooks and crannies because then we would have to retrieve them, we only brought what we needed to get the job done.


Easier access to the bed via integrated tailgate steps. Some buttons and knobs for when you have work gloves on. It's just a more comfortable work truck. Legacy is utilitarian, CT is minimalistic.
Minimalistic is utilitarian. We didn't wear our gloves in the cab, nor did we spend much time twiddling knobs. It was turn the heater on and maybe play the radio. In the Cybertruck both these things happen automatically, or the driver can manually control them with the scroll wheel or a voice command. It's not going to differentiate something as a "work truck" or not. Bed steps? We wouldn't have used them, too inefficient. It was about getting the job done. Time is money. We didn't spend our time deploying and folding up little "man steps" we grabbed what we needed and jumped in or out of the bed as required. Man steps take too long and are added for retired homeowners, they are not a feature for real workers. You've been watching too many truck commercials that make you think they belong on a jobsite.

Further, the CT was not built to be a primarily a work truck, whereas the legacy trucks are.
Huh? This is what we are debating, whether the Cybertruck is a work truck or not. You can't answer the question by declaring one is "built as" a work truck and the other is not. That's the question, not the answer.

It's primarily a non-commercial consumer truck that is plenty capable of doing work. The legacy trucks are work trucks that add layers of dressing as you make your way up the trim line. For example, Ford literally adds a layer of leather to the plastic work truck dash on the higher trims.
That layer of leather is just vanity. Cybertruck doesn't have that, does that make it a work truck? LOL! It is inconsequential either way.

At the end of the day, the legacy trucks have nearly a century of market/focus group data that they've implemented over time. Tesla is just now tapping in. Nothing wrong with Tesla, but it's going to take time to improve that side, assuming Tesla wants to capture that market.
Wait, the question is whether the Cybertruck is a work truck. You can't answer that question by saying legacy auto should have the better work truck because they have a century of experience. A good work truck has to be reliable of all things, the Silverado EV is showing a shocking number of serious failures relative to how few they have made/sold. It makes me question the long-term reliability. A good work truck needs to make it more efficient to get work done. The low bed height of the Cybertruck in Easy Entry mode makes it easy to load/unload heavy items and it's lack of intrusions into the loading area means your cargo can go straight in/out, without those intrusions messing up your loading pattern. A good work truck needs to have low running costs. It has to be at home on rugged job sites and be tough and damage resistant. Legacy pickups get damaged if almost anything rubs on them of falls on their fragile and thin painted bodies. The Cybertruck's hard shell repels damage. Before I got the Cybertruck I thought a good truck was inherently awkward and unwieldy in tight work areas. The Cybertruck taught me a full sized truck can maneuver and jockey around tight spots like a compact. Less time waiting to get through or spent jockeying around gets the job done faster.

However, truly capturing that market may run afoul of its minimalism.
Work trucks are defined by being minimalistic. That's what a truck is, a tool to get work done that can't be done with a car or SUV. The more minimalistic it is, the less things to get in the way of the job at hand. You are trying to turn the minimalistic styling aesthetic of the interior and exterior of the Cybertruck into a negative that doesn't exist. The styling is inconsequential as to how it performs as a work truck.

Have you ever used the Cybertruck to get the kind of work done that needs a truck? I have, and in most ways it's superior to any legacy truck. I've covered the specific reasons why in other posts but just wanted to show how flimsy your logic was here. About the only way it's inferior is if the job requires long freeway drives. Most jobs are local, because time is money. And big miles increase equipment and fuel costs. Things like tires, brakes and frequent oil changes that need to be scheduled around jobs. Not ideal for a work truck but if big miles are in the requirements, then it's a consideration.

Saying the Cybertruck is not a work truck is just a false narrative to try to protect the market of legacy trucks that look a certain way. It simply pretending that the minimalistic styling of the Cybertruck somehow disqualifies it as a work truck because work trucks have never looked like that before. Function is what matters in a work truck, not looks.

The funny thing in all this is that most legacy pickup trucks are not even used as work trucks, they are lifestyle trucks. So it's good that the Cybertruck can do either seamlessly. Because the lifestyle aspect of pickups is why they sell is such high volumes in N. America.
 
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I preface my responses by again reiterating that I think the CT is an awesome and capable truck. It's not an attack on the CT. I'll also take it a step further and fully admit that as someone who hasn't had a chance to put the Tesla through its work paces, I obviously can be completely wrong about some things. I'm responding as someone who researches extensively before purchases and has experience putting my trucks through all kinds of work, towing, miles, etc.; has owned a Lightning and has test driven both the RST and CT.

To put this post into perspective, I've used pickups in many varied jobs over the years. As a young man, as a middle-aged man, usually my employers work trucks. Construction sites, commercial fishing, farming, landscaping and equipment and materials deliveries.
To be fair, this type of experience reiterates some of the differences in uses I've mentioned. Sounds like a lot of localized work. I can see where your comment apply. Our industry is pipelines, drilling wells, etc. Always far from localities and home. This would definitely influence our perspective and expectations.

I think this is splitting hairs. Legacy trucks have bigger mirrors, and often they extend for towing. That said, I've towed many big loads with small non-extending mirrors and never thought they were inadequate. The Cybertruck has more towing capacity, and tows a heavy load more securely, than any of the current crop of EV pickups, due to it's more rigid frame. It simply doesn't flex as much when a heavy trailer pushes back.
It is splitting hairs, but sort of justifies my point because I'm not saying CT sucks or can't do any of this, only that it could be a little bit easier. Things like better visibility, 360 cameras, camera rearview mirror, turning signal camera that highlights the blind spot next to the trailer, etc. I'd also question whether the CT would tow a heavy trailer more securely when it weighs 6,500lbs vs the Silverado that weights 8,500lbs, which is more than the weight that a typical cargo trailer towed by a half ton would weigh. I'd love to tow with a CT to experience the difference.

I don't get this at all. None of the "work trucks" I used through my working career had a crew cab, they were for towing and hauling lots of stuff. They had a higher ratio of bed space to cab space. File boxes? We never had those with us and in 2024 it would be even less likely. Nooks and crannies? They would just collect dirt and require employee time to clean out periodically and find the owner of left behind items. We put our dirty work gloves on the floor of the cab. Lunches stayed with us. We did not spend our day stashing things in nooks and crannies because then we would have to retrieve them, we only brought what we needed to get the job done.

Minimalistic is utilitarian. We didn't wear our gloves in the cab, nor did we spend much time twiddling knobs. It was turn the heater on and maybe play the radio. In the Cybertruck both these things happen automatically, or the driver can manually control them with the scroll wheel or a voice command. It's not going to differentiate something as a "work truck" or not. Bed steps? We wouldn't have used them, too inefficient. It was about getting the job done. Time is money. We didn't spend our time deploying and folding up little "man steps" we grabbed what we needed and jumped in or out of the bed as required. Man steps take too long and are added for retired homeowners, they are not a feature for real workers. You've been watching too many truck commercials that make you think they belong on a jobsite.
Goes back to our different types of work backgrounds. I'm assuming you didn't have to bring a crew with you then. Didn't have ride alongs to the ROW with visitors, etc. Same with job boxes. Energy and construction industry is still old school. Also, when moving from project to project (in different cities/states), you don't want to throw all of your belongings in the bed. You're thinking in terms of fleet trucks. I think this whole discussion is a result of us having different work environments or industries.

Huh? This is what we are debating, whether the Cybertruck is a work truck or not. You can't answer the question by declaring one is "built as" a work truck and the other is not. That's the question, not the answer.
Fair. Goes back to definition of work and your industry. I'll retract based on having made a generalized comment.


That layer of leather is just vanity. Cybertruck doesn't have that, does that make it a work truck? LOL! It is inconsequential either way.
I think you misread that. That was my point. It's trim added to a work truck.

Wait, the question is whether the Cybertruck is a work truck. You can't answer that question by saying legacy auto should have the better work truck because they have a century of experience. A good work truck has to be reliable of all things, the Silverado EV is showing a shocking number of serious failures relative to how few they have made/sold. It makes me question the long-term reliability. A good work truck needs to make it more efficient to get work done. The low bed height of the Cybertruck in Easy Entry mode makes it easy to load/unload heavy items and it's lack of intrusions into the loading area means your cargo can go straight in/out, without those intrusions messing up your loading pattern. A good work truck needs to have low running costs. It has to be at home on rugged job sites and be tough and damage resistant. Legacy pickups get damaged if almost anything rubs on them of falls on their fragile and thin painted bodies. The Cybertruck's hard shell repels damage. Before I got the Cybertruck I thought a good truck was inherently awkward and unwieldy in tight work areas. The Cybertruck taught me a full sized truck can maneuver and jockey around tight spots like a compact. Less time waiting to get through or spent jockeying around gets the job done faster.

Work trucks are defined by being minimalistic. That's what a truck is, a tool to get work done that can't be done with a car or SUV. The more minimalistic it is, the less things to get in the way of the job at hand. You are trying to turn the minimalistic styling aesthetic of the interior and exterior of the Cybertruck into a negative that doesn't exist. The styling is inconsequential as to how it performs as a work truck.
You can walk onto the truck on load mode? If so that's awesome and cancels out my step comment. I'm not going to get into the body issue; it's my thoughts that that body won't make the final determination, but that's subjective, no argument there. Size goes back to our work environment perspectives. No lack of space in the places I work. I can see how this is a plus in urban centers.

Have you ever used the Cybertruck to get the kind of work done that needs a truck? I have, and in most ways it's superior to any legacy truck. I've covered the specific reasons why in other posts but just wanted to show how flimsy your logic was here. About the only way it's inferior is if the job requires long freeway drives. Most jobs are local, because time is money. And big miles increase equipment and fuel costs. Things like tires, brakes and frequent oil changes that need to be scheduled around jobs. Not ideal for a work truck but if big miles are in the requirements, then it's a consideration.

Saying the Cybertruck is not a work truck is just a false narrative to try to protect the market of legacy trucks that look a certain way. It simply pretending that the minimalistic styling of the Cybertruck somehow disqualifies it as a work truck because work trucks have never looked like that before. Function is what matters in a work truck, not looks.

The funny thing in all this is that most legacy pickup trucks are not even used as work trucks, they are lifestyle trucks. So it's good that the Cybertruck can do either seamlessly. Because the lifestyle aspect of pickups is why they sell is such high volumes in N. America.
I haven't used the CT for work, I look forward to at some point, and I expect to be enlightened in some way; it's the reason I'm here. I disagree that my logic is flimsy, but I think we have different work experiences and environments that blur our understanding of each other. In my industry big miles are the norm. The industry I'm in requires long freeway drives, sometimes miles off on a country road, out in some farm land, Walmart is the only place for groceries, and closest "major" cities 1-2 hours way type of deal. Our projects at times mobilize hundreds of people to these locations, along with their families, travel trailers, welding equipment, utility trailers, etc. We're clearly not comparing work apples to apples.

P.S. For real though, can that tail end drop low enough to walk loads on and off the truck?
 


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I preface my responses by again reiterating that I think the CT is an awesome and capable truck. It's not an attack on the CT. I'll also take it a step further and fully admit that as someone who hasn't had a chance to put the Tesla through its work paces, I obviously can be completely wrong about some things. I'm responding as someone who researches extensively before purchases and has experience putting my trucks through all kinds of work, towing, miles, etc.; has owned a Lightning and has test driven both the RST and CT.



To be fair, this type of experience reiterates some of the differences in uses I've mentioned. Sounds like a lot of localized work. I can see where your comment apply. Our industry is pipelines, drilling wells, etc. Always far from localities and home. This would definitely influence our perspective and expectations.



It is splitting hairs, but sort of justifies my point because I'm not saying CT sucks or can't do any of this, only that it could be a little bit easier. Things like better visibility, 360 cameras, camera rearview mirror, turning signal camera that highlights the blind spot next to the trailer, etc. I'd also question whether the CT would tow a heavy trailer more securely when it weighs 6,500lbs vs the Silverado that weights 8,500lbs, which is more than the weight that a typical cargo trailer towed by a half ton would weigh. I'd love to tow with a CT to experience the difference.



Goes back to our different types of work backgrounds. I'm assuming you didn't have to bring a crew with you then. Didn't have ride alongs to the ROW with visitors, etc. Same with job boxes. Energy and construction industry is still old school. Also, when moving from project to project (in different cities/states), you don't want to throw all of your belongings in the bed. You're thinking in terms of fleet trucks. I think this whole discussion is a result of us having different work environments or industries.



Fair. Goes back to definition of work and your industry. I'll retract based on having made a generalized comment.




I think you misread that. That was my point. It's trim added to a work truck.



You can walk onto the truck on load mode? If so that's awesome and cancels out my step comment. I'm not going to get into the body issue; it's my thoughts that that body won't make the final determination, but that's subjective, no argument there. Size goes back to our work environment perspectives. No lack of space in the places I work. I can see how this is a plus in urban centers.



I haven't used the CT for work, I look forward to at some point, and I expect to be enlightened in some way; it's the reason I'm here. I disagree that my logic is flimsy, but I think we have different work experiences and environments that blur our understanding of each other. In my industry big miles are the norm. The industry I'm in requires long freeway drives, sometimes miles off on a country road, out in some farm land, Walmart is the only place for groceries, and closest "major" cities 1-2 hours way type of deal. Our projects at times mobilize hundreds of people to these locations, along with their families, travel trailers, welding equipment, utility trailers, etc. We're clearly not comparing work apples to apples.

P.S. For real though, can that tail end drop low enough to walk loads on and off the truck?
I appreciate your mostly reasonable response. It highlights that there is no one kind of "work truck" because use cases are varied. But I've never been on a construction site that wasn't tight and constricted (and I've never been on an urban construction site, all of them have been pretty rural, with a few suburban sites). Space is always at a premium and an easily maneuverable truck like the Cybertruck is just quicker and easier to get the materials where they are going.

As to walking in/out of the bed, you have to climb in either way, stairs might make it slightly easier but not any quicker, anyone doing physical work on a jobsite is expected to know how to get in a truck easily, if required. Yes, the Cybertruck Easy entry goes lower than my F-150 by a few inches, but you don't walk into a truck bed. You have to climb in, whether it's climbing up stairs or using the same technique I've used my entire life. Not having man steps doesn't mean it's not a good work truck. For most of my life no trucks had steps and we were probably more efficient because of it. Fold-out "man steps" are for retired homeowners with mobility issues, not for working men (except on truck TV commercials, LOL!).

What I'm taking issue with is not that some trucks are more suited to some tasks than others, it's that the Cybertruck isn't a work truck. Of course it is. Having a minimalistic styling aesthetic has nothing to do with it. But for your use case, driving big miles with big loads, it sounds like a gas or diesel truck would be a better fit than an EV. Sure, it's going to cost more to operate, but if you're delivering big work crews over long-distances, time is money too. Most work trucks work locally, because time is money, and don't need to do that. That said, the back seat and flat load floor of the Cybertruck is easy for workers to climb in and of, it's built for large adults. I'm 6'4" and the backseat of the Cybertruck is plenty roomy, even if the crew cab of a legacy truck has a couple more inches width and depth. It certainly doesn't disqualify it based on size.

It just seems like your definition of a "work truck" is awfully narrow in order to create the narrative that the Cybertruck isn't one. Buy the right tool for the job. Someone in Detroit probably decided it could help them protect the market share of their most profitable products if they could convince people the Cybertruck wasn't suitable as a work truck. In many ways, and for many purposes, it's actually a better work truck than a legacy pickup. This will become increasingly apparent as they get cheaper and start to be put into dirtier and more varied work scenarios. The first year of sales is obviously dominated by early reservationists who tend to be Tesla fans, not farmers, fishermen, construction workers and tradesmen. But they will find out how suitable it is over time.

One thing we can be sure of, is that, just like legacy trucks, most of them will be homeowner trucks, most of them will not tow long-distances, and most of them will be lifestyle trucks. That's true of the F-150, it's true of the Ram, and it's true of the Silverado and Sierra, and it will also be true of the Cybertruck. The way people use light trucks has been well studied in America, because it's such a large part of the automotive market. Tesla didn't ignore those studies before they invested billions bringing the Cybertruck to market; they built a highly versatile truck that could replace most ICE light trucks on the road today. Yes, that includes contractors working on jobsites, farmers, fisherman, tradesmen, anyone who needs a half-ton truck.
 

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I appreciate your mostly reasonable response. It highlights that there is no one kind of "work truck" because use cases are varied. But I've never been on a construction site that wasn't tight and constricted (and I've never been on an urban construction site, all of them have been pretty rural, with a few suburban sites). Space is always at a premium and an easily maneuverable truck like the Cybertruck is just quicker and easier to get the materials where they are going.

As to walking in/out of the bed, you have to climb in either way, stairs might make it slightly easier but not any quicker, anyone doing physical work on a jobsite is expected to know how to get in a truck easily, if required. Yes, the Cybertruck Easy entry goes lower than my F-150 by a few inches, but you don't walk into a truck bed. You have to climb in, whether it's climbing up stairs or using the same technique I've used my entire life. Not having man steps doesn't mean it's not a good work truck. For most of my life no trucks had steps and we were probably more efficient because of it. Fold-out "man steps" are for retired homeowners with mobility issues, not for working men (except on truck TV commercials, LOL!).

What I'm taking issue with is not that some trucks are more suited to some tasks than others, it's that the Cybertruck isn't a work truck. Of course it is. Having a minimalistic styling aesthetic has nothing to do with it. But for your use case, driving big miles with big loads, it sounds like a gas or diesel truck would be a better fit than an EV. Sure, it's going to cost more to operate, but if you're delivering big work crews over long-distances, time is money too. Most work trucks work locally, because time is money, and don't need to do that. That said, the back seat and flat load floor of the Cybertruck is easy for workers to climb in and of, it's built for large adults. I'm 6'4" and the backseat of the Cybertruck is plenty roomy, even if the crew cab of a legacy truck has a couple more inches width and depth. It certainly doesn't disqualify it based on size.

It just seems like your definition of a "work truck" is awfully narrow in order to create the narrative that the Cybertruck isn't one. Buy the right tool for the job. Someone in Detroit probably decided it could help them protect the market share of their most profitable products if they could convince people the Cybertruck wasn't suitable as a work truck. In many ways, and for many purposes, it's actually a better work truck than a legacy pickup. This will become increasingly apparent as they get cheaper and start to be put into dirtier and more varied work scenarios. The first year of sales is obviously dominated by early reservationists who tend to be Tesla fans, not farmers, fishermen, construction workers and tradesmen. But they will find out how suitable it is over time.

One thing we can be sure of, is that, just like legacy trucks, most of them will be homeowner trucks, most of them will not tow long-distances, and most of them will be lifestyle trucks. That's true of the F-150, it's true of the Ram, and it's true of the Silverado and Sierra, and it will also be true of the Cybertruck. The way people use light trucks has been well studied in America, because it's such a large part of the automotive market. Tesla didn't ignore those studies before they invested billions bringing the Cybertruck to market; they built a highly versatile truck that could replace most ICE light trucks on the road today. Yes, that includes contractors working on jobsites, farmers, fisherman, tradesmen, anyone who needs a half-ton truck.
Appreciate the candid discussion! Won't add anymore to the differences but will clarify again that I did not say CT is not a work truck.

Regarding best tool for the job, I made the Lightning work for a while, Got lucky with a buy back, and thought the hybrid F150 King Ranch would appease me. Wonderful ICE truck, but turns out I'm a full EV truck convert now and I'm already itching to get out. My next truck is either the CT or the Silverado EV (LT or RST). I've mentioned across different EV truck boards that I want the CT to work, but I end up coming back to full circle with Silverado's range, and now the LT is available to order so the price gap just narrowed. LT will get the tax credit too. Touch decisions, but great options out in the EV world now.
 

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Appreciate the candid discussion! Won't add anymore to the differences but will clarify again that I did not say CT is not a work truck.

Regarding best tool for the job, I made the Lightning work for a while, Got lucky with a buy back, and thought the hybrid F150 King Ranch would appease me. Wonderful ICE truck, but turns out I'm a full EV truck convert now and I'm already itching to get out. My next truck is either the CT or the Silverado EV (LT or RST). I've mentioned across different EV truck boards that I want the CT to work, but I end up coming back to full circle with Silverado's range, and now the LT is available to order so the price gap just narrowed. LT will get the tax credit too. Touch decisions, but great options out in the EV world now.
Did you test-drive the Cybertruck yet?
 

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Did you test-drive the Cybertruck yet?
I did, but it was rushed. I also dragged the family with me to see if I could fit three car seats in the back like I could in my Lightning. They were churning people out so it was jump in do the loop, jump out. I'm actually planning do a second one to review some of the things I've learned from you guys. Hopefully it won't be as rushed and I can take a deeper dive.
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