Security Flaw in Foundation Series Cyberbeast Crossbars – Feedback Needed

[CyberBobby]

Just installed two sets of crossbars on my Foundation Series Cyberbeast. Installation was simple and straightforward (pictures included), but I ran into a serious security issue I wanted to bring to the community’s attention.

The crossbars lock with a universal key. To test this, I tried the key from my first order on the second set of crossbars (without opening the keys in the second box), and it worked perfectly. This means anyone with these keys could potentially walk up to any Cybertruck, remove the crossbars, and steal them.

Does anyone have ideas on how to secure these better? Would love to hear thoughts or solutions.

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[Jack27]

Why is it the “foundation series” and not just the cross bars in general? Idk if you have to worry about someone spending 800 on those that has a CT stealing yours

 

[CyberBobby]

Who’s worried about another CT owner. People steal anything they can these days. Once the thieves figure out how easy it is to take them, it’s possible they start stealing them.

Non-foundation series cannot install two sets of crossbars FYI. They don’t have a slot over the glass roof.

 

[cardad]

Seems like the cost (buying a rack just for the keys) for such a low probability outcome is going to be greater than the probabilistic gains from such a rare opportunity (actually finding a CT with a rack) and also for an owner it seems like sentry mode would deter most potential thieves.

 

[Jack27]

Seems like the cost (buying a rack just for the keys) for such a low probability outcome is going to be greater than the probabilistic gains from such a rare opportunity (actually finding a CT with a rack) and also for an owner it seems like sentry mode would deter most potential thieves.

Exactly ?

 

[KG206]

Who’s worried about another CT owner. People steal anything they can these days. Once the thieves figure out how easy it is to take them, it’s possible they start stealing them.

Non-foundation series cannot install two sets of crossbars FYI. They don’t have a slot over the glass roof.

This isn’t true. It’s supposed to only be foundation series that gets all 4 flip covers, the upper two require you to buy a different valance or whatever they’re called but the attachment points are still there.

My dual motor delivered on 11/6 also has all 4 flip openings, so I guess a few of us snuck in before the cutoff.

All cyber trucks can install all 4 sets of crossbars. Some will just have to also get an additional part though.

 

[nobody5736]

Seems like the cost (buying a rack just for the keys) for such a low probability outcome is going to be greater than the probabilistic gains from such a rare opportunity (actually finding a CT with a rack) and also for an owner it seems like sentry mode would deter most potential thieves.

I rather get my usb cable and go GTA’ing with a hyundai for the night. Its much easier.

 

[Jack27]

Who’s worried about another CT owner. People steal anything they can these days. Once the thieves figure out how easy it is to take them, it’s possible they start stealing them.

Non-foundation series cannot install two sets of crossbars FYI. They don’t have a slot over the glass roof.

Dude for someone to go spent 800 to get a key just to drive around HOPING out of the 7 Cats they see 1 has racks to steel is funny ! As you said if they want them they will take them and if you are a real thief you don’t need that generic key to take them off.

 

[Crissa]

Dude for someone to go spent 800 to get a key just to drive around HOPING out of the 7 Cats they see 1 has racks to steel is funny ! As you said if they want them they will take them and if you are a real thief you don’t need that generic key to take them off.

It's probably just a standard key that works in many locks from whatever supplier they bought the locks from.

Thule only has a couple hundred patterns, and only a tiny subset available at any one time.

They're like locks on your lugnuts - not unique, but also just uncommon enough to be a pain to try to have on short notice.

-Crissa

 

[Furiosa]

The first page I saw on the install paperwork was how to replace the key lock. Seemed simple. Maybe just switch the lock set out to something more rare.

 

[wtibbit]

The first page I saw on the install paperwork was how to replace the key lock. Seemed simple. Maybe just switch the lock set out to something more rare.

I thought about that....

If the cost of a risk management action is greater than the probable cost of the risk (in this case, the probability of a thief using a crossbar key to steal your crossbars multiplied by the cost of crossbars), the action isn't cost effective.

In my area the cost to re-key the four crossbar locks is about $100, about 12% the cost of the crossbars.

So, if you think more than 12% of all CT crossbar owners will eventually have their crossbars stolen by someone using a factory key, having your crossbar locks re-keyed is a good plan.

I think the probability of my crossbars being stolen by a key-holding thief before I sell or trade my truck is much lower than 12%; it's likely lower than the probability of the truck being totaled by some insured catastrophe.

I think I'll use that $100 to help pay for my CT's insurance.

 

[dalton108]

You know that most crossbars (even I’d wager most currently installed on cybertrucks) don’t lock at all?

Anybody with an allen wrench and the gumption to climb up on your vehicle in most cases is going to be able to steal better than 75% of the crossbars on the planet. And here’s a little tidbit for you most of the rest of them are also all keyed virtually the same.

This is more than a little bit unnecessarily alarmist. If you are truly concerned that this might happen as has been noted above and it is the case with anything that has a barrel lock you can change it until your heart is content. Or, you know take them off if you’re worried about them being stolen.

if you’ve loaded them up as they are intended to be used with something then imagine the thief who’s going to go through the trouble of unloading your vehicle distill whatever is up there with or without also taking your crossbars. AND all of this ignores the fact that you literally have camera surrounding your vehicle and sentry mode. Hypervigilance is one thing this is beyond.

Beyond that, this is a PSA ? in search of an actual public threat to announce.

 

[dalton108]

I thought about that....

If the cost of a risk management action is greater than the probable cost of the risk (in this case, the probability of a thief using a crossbar key to steal your crossbars multiplied by the cost of crossbars), the action isn't cost effective.

In my area the cost to re-key the four crossbar locks is about $100, about 12% the cost of the crossbars.

So, if you think more than 12% of all CT crossbar owners will eventually have their crossbars stolen by someone using a factory key, having your crossbar locks re-keyed is a good plan.

I think the probability of my crossbars being stolen by a key-holding thief before I sell or trade my truck is much lower than 12%; it's likely lower than the probability of the truck being totaled by some insured catastrophe.

I think I'll use that $100 to help pay for my CT's insurance.

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[Art138]

Who’s worried about another CT owner. People steal anything they can these days. Once the thieves figure out how easy it is to take them, it’s possible they start stealing them.

Non-foundation series cannot install two sets of crossbars FYI. They don’t have a slot over the glass roof.

That’s interesting that non-FS don’t have the slot/attachments point over the roof glass front and back. I guess it was more cost constructive to leave them out for the base models.

 

[Furiosa]

I thought about that....

If the cost of a risk management action is greater than the probable cost of the risk (in this case, the probability of a thief using a crossbar key to steal your crossbars multiplied by the cost of crossbars), the action isn't cost effective.

In my area the cost to re-key the four crossbar locks is about $100, about 12% the cost of the crossbars.

So, if you think more than 12% of all CT crossbar owners will eventually have their crossbars stolen by someone using a factory key, having your crossbar locks re-keyed is a good plan.

I think the probability of my crossbars being stolen by a key-holding thief before I sell or trade my truck is much lower than 12%; it's likely lower than the probability of the truck being totaled by some insured catastrophe.

I think I'll use that $100 to help pay for my CT's insurance.

Drop an apple tracker in the crossbar. Could be a fun night with you and your buddies re acquiring your property.

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