My 2022 Cybertruck MSRP predictions. Are you sitting down?

[Ogre]

If Tesla is just putting the screws into us, why would they mess around like that?

They could just send out a bulk email to the first 50,000 reservation holders and let us know the initial batch will be the Founder’s Edition, price is $150k. It has Deep Gray seats but is otherwise just a CT3. It’s a limited edition of 10,000 trucks.

Once they’ve satisfied the Founder’s Edition customers, another email goes out… they are shipping the “Cyber Commander”, a space navy themed truck with navy blue interior with gold trim and a nautical wheel instead of a yoke. It‘s $120,000 but if you want to earliest possible delivery…

It’s of course all perfectly legal and legit because we’ve signed a contract.

Maybe after they’ve raked the folks over the coals who are really anxious to spend thousands more for their trucks, then they can start deliveries for the rest of us. I just hope if they do that they properly shaft the folks who are so anxious to raise the prices for everyone.

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[John K]

If Tesla is just putting the screws into us, why would they mess around like that?

They could just send out a bulk email to the first 50,000 reservation holders and let us know the initial batch will be the Founder’s Edition, price is $150k. It has Deep Gray seats but is otherwise just a CT3. It’s a limited edition of 10,000 trucks.

Once they’ve satisfied the Founder’s Edition customers, another email goes out… they are shipping the “Cyber Commander”, a space navy themed truck with navy blue interior with gold trim and a nautical wheel instead of a yoke. It‘s $120,000 but if you want to earliest possible delivery…

It’s of course all perfectly legal and legit because we’ve signed a contract.

Maybe after they’ve raked the folks over the coals who are really anxious to spend thousands more for their trucks, then they can start deliveries for the rest of us. I just hope if they do that they properly shaft the folks who are so anxious to raise the prices for everyone.

To ease early reservation holders anxiety over new vehicle issues, Tesla should start filling reservations at 194,500 and at 200k, backfill from the start.

nothing self serving from the request

 

[SpaceYooper]

1.) Tesla will do a run of production with 4 wheel steering and charge a premium. $8k -per unit is my guess. Many reservation holders will be happy to pay this to move up in line and get the 4 wheel steering. I know I will. This will likely be the CT3, but could be CT2 if batteries are a constraint.

The CT turn radius with out the 4 wheel steering was never going to market or be marketable it it did. Nobody was going to buy a truck that takes 4 lanes to make u-turn. They knew that from the start. They may not have had in the first alphas, but I'm sure it was always planned It needs to be included and not a premium option.

 

[Mini2nut]

I think there will be more than one person who originally ordered the Tri Motor and configures a Dual Motor due to sticker shock.

 

[Diehard]

I think there will be more than one person who originally ordered the Tri Motor and configures a Dual Motor due to sticker shock.

That would be interesting to know. How many pay more to get what they reserved, how many downgrade and how many switch brands due to price increase and also timing of both Tesla and other manufacturer's delivery.

 

[FutureBoy]

That would be interesting to know. How many pay more to get what they reserved, how many downgrade and how many switch brands due to price increase and also timing of both Tesla and other manufacturer's delivery.

Switch brands to save money? Um... If Tesla is the cheapest price what would they switch to? I can see some switching from Ford Lightning to CT because when they get to the dealer it is just too expensive to stick with the Lightning. But yes, some might have aspirationally ordered a CT3 and end up downgrading to CT2.

On the other hand, if the Tesla stock continues to rise, it's possible that some might upgrade from CT2 to CT3.

 

[John K]

Price increase is a rumor and not a fact. Think positive or at least, add more water to your glass.

 

[Ogre]

Switch brands to save money? Um... If Tesla is the cheapest price what would they switch to? I can see some switching from Ford Lightning to CT because when they get to the dealer it is just too expensive to stick with the Lightning. But yes, some might have aspirationally ordered a CT3 and end up downgrading to CT2.

I find it odd that the same people who complain about dealer markup on Fords and F150s are Ok with Tesla doing this.

 

[Diehard]

Switch brands to save money? Um... If Tesla is the cheapest price what would they switch to? I can see some switching from Ford Lightning to CT because when they get to the dealer it is just too expensive to stick with the Lightning.

Switching brands for price increase is not the same as switching brands to save money. Many have already shown their distaste for "broken promise" and "Bait and switch" that is enough for some people to pay more for something inferior somewhere else. But there has always been a lower price EV than Tesla and I suspect there always will be (not necessarily with the same specs). If someone'e budget is $40K and is waiting for CT1 and it goes up to $50K, they could switch to a new Bolt or something that still has tax credit or even a used ICE (although it is probably more expensive than a new CT right now, it may not be in a year).

Regarding Lightning and CT, even before you get to dealer, Lightning in it's most variations is more expensive than CT. I have a reservation and I am always at the edge of cancellation even before the real headache starts due to the whole dealer thing. Each of them have their pros , cons and unknowns. It comes down to what you know and how you feel when you are at a fork in the road.

I find it odd that the same people who complain about dealer markup on Fords and F150s are Ok with Tesla doing this.

I have not seen any but it certainly would be odd.

 

[FutureBoy]

I find it odd that the same people who complain about dealer markup on Fords and F150s are Ok with Tesla doing this.

I must be lost. What do you think Tesla is doing?

Dealerships are independent businesses and can set prices however they wish, independent of the automakers. Thus the MSRP of those vehicles has the "S" as SUGGESTED in MSRP. For popular vehicles, MSRP is not the price the user is going to pay. I once ordered a vehicle before they first came out, signed with the dealer to pay MSRP, and then when I went to pick it up at delivery, they offered me $8000 cash to walk away because they were regularly getting $10k to $12k above MSRP for the same vehicle.

From what I have seen of Tesla's though, the price on the site is the flat rate price. Even the recent Hertz order seems to be at the same price. Yes, there are some options that can be added to increase the price but as options that is completely expected. The only way in which there might remotely be a similarity at Tesla to what the dealership model looks like is that from time to time, Tesla will update (to increase or sometimes even decrease) the price of vehicles on the site. Sure, that might occasionally be a surprise if someone were looking at a specific vehicle at one price, and then on a subsequent day they go to make the order and the price has changed. But the price change has 0% to do with how well you can negotiate, or how gullible you are to the finance manager's price massaging. Once an order is placed though, I haven't heard of Tesla changing the price of that ordered vehicle.

Switching brands for price increase is not the same as switching brands to save money. Many have already shown their distaste for "broken promise" and "Bait and switch" that is enough for some people to pay more for something inferior somewhere else. But there has always been a lower price EV than Tesla and I suspect there always will be (not necessarily with the same specs). If someone'e budget is $40K and is waiting for CT1 and it goes up to $50K, they could switch to a new Bolt or something that still has tax credit or even a used ICE (although it is probably more expensive than a new CT right now, it may not be in a year).

Regarding Lightning and CT, even before you get to dealer, Lightning in it's most variations is more expensive than CT. I have a reservation and I am always at the edge of cancellation even before the real headache starts due to the whole dealer thing. Each of them have their pros , cons and unknowns. It comes down to what you know and how you feel when you are at a fork in the road.

Are you saying that Tesla is somehow breaking promises on price or pulling Bait and Switch tactics? That kind of stuff happens all the time with dealerships but the only case of that I've seen with Tesla is when impatient peeps let their fears take over and assume that Tesla will do that to them. Is there any actual evidence of Tesla actually doing such a thing? All I've seen are rumors of possible future activities that have absolutely zero evidence.

The closest thing that might happen from what I can see is that CT1 orders might just never happen. Now if I had a CT1 order that I had been waiting for, the cancellation of that order would be seriously disappointing. But I wouldn't consider that to be bait and switch.

If someone is waiting for a CT1 and it never ships, I doubt they are going to be switching to a Bolt. At least not willingly. Those are not even close on functionality or features. If they are just looking to get into an EV and the CT looked cool or something, then maybe they would settle for a Bolt. But that is a serious edge case.

Your point about the Lightning is exactly what I was trying to say. No one looking for the needed functionality of a truck is going to be saving any $$ switching to anything other than Tesla. Now the shipping date could possibly be a reason to switch. If one has a very early Lightning order and a very late CT order then it's possible that the Lightning will ship first. But based on the rate of production, it won't take long for Tesla to catch up and seriously surpass the Lightning production line so this is also an edge case.

But who knows. Stuff happens. The CT has been delayed before. It could potentially get delayed yet again. But the way things are progressing, I doubt the CT will have further delays. Elon wants his pet project to ship. And he will need a steady stream of them soon for shipping to Mars.

 

[Diehard]

“Are you saying that Tesla is somehow breaking promises on price or pulling Bait and Switch tactics? “

No that is not what I am saying at all. I have no crystal ball. Those were reference to other posts from other people here. All I am saying is IF Tesla do raise price, some people will get out just due to their feelings.

“Your point about the Lightning is exactly what I was trying to say. No one looking for the needed functionality of a truck is going to be saving any $$ switching to anything other than Tesla. Now the shipping date could possibly be a reason to switch. If one has a very early Lightning order and a very late CT order then it's possible that the Lightning will ship first. But based on the rate of production, it won't take long for Tesla to catch up and seriously surpass the Lightning production line so this is also an edge case.”

I seem to fall in all of your edge cases. I do consider vehicles from other categories with a wide range of prices. And I do have a late CT and early Lightning reservation.

We may scream a little differently but we are all in the same boat. We want our CTs at a price and time we can afford.

 

[Ogre]

I must be lost. What do you think Tesla is doing?

Don’t know if we crossed wires or you are being coy.

My assumption at this point is that Tesla is playing it straight.

Based on on your comment, I thought you were agreeing with m2 that Tesla was going to bump prices from under us.

 

[jerhenderson]

What do you call it when you tell someone “If you give me $100 Today I’ll sell you a truck for $40k“, but then when it comes time you say “Thank You very much, but I lied, I want $45k for the truck”?

Fraud?

A promise is a promise, contract wiggly words be damned. If you agree to a thing and take someone’s money or at least have the decency to tell them you aren’t going to as early as possible. Even a bad mechanic calls you up and tells you they won’t be able to hit their estimate.

lFirstly look up bait and switch- that's knowingly advertising something you don't have available and having a different model instead. Secondly, the reservation contract states prices may change
it's not their fault if you didn't read it.

 

[Crissa]

Agreeing vehemently, I think is the term.

...the reservation contract states prices may change
it's not their fault if you didn't read it.

The reservation contract gives them legal wriggle room.

It doesn't solve the PR problem.

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[Ogre]

lFirstly look up bait and switch- that's knowingly advertising something you don't have available and having a different model instead. Secondly, the reservation contract states prices may change
it's not their fault if you didn't read it.

Typed out a reply but no point. If you didn’t bother reading my first reply to this you aren’t going to read a this one.

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