What a joke…B.C. bans self-driving vehicles on its roads

[Cyberham]

Im in BC and alls that I know is that Im fine moving forward as long as they dont degrade my current version

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[REM]

We have no idea what the time frame will be, a resonable time is 4-6 years, but it is not just destroying the business models of Human driven Ubers & Lyfts, but will have wide ranging and unforseen consequences, as new technologies often do.

Yep. Those who refuse to innovate will rightfully fall out of the market. I have probably 10 business ideas already in the works for robotaxi services.

 

[Pops]

Although you may well be correct about highway deaths at 75 mph, I have become more than a bit wary of claims both for and against FSD. If you could share a link to your source then I can check the veracity of what you are saying. i would also want to know what the percentage of deaths on highways is from cars using DAS as opposed to those without, if your source has that kind of data. Thanks!

Total Incidents: From June 2021 through mid-2024, there were 3,979 reported incidents involving Automated Driving Systems (ADS) or Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS), with at least 83 deaths, according to reported data.

Source: NHTSA ADS data, they only started collecting in June 2021.

To be clear, I did not compare ADS to human driving. My statement was simply that ADS systems have likely directly caused deaths, and regulation has been minimal. That is expected with any new technology, but again, most new technologies do not directly cause death(s).

I am a firm believer that Automated Driving Systems will reduce over all deaths eventually. I don't think there is good unbiased data to determine if we are there yet.

Tesla claims 7x fewer accidents using FSD (source). Insurance companies say Telsas have highest claim frequency rate (source). These 2 data points are hard to resolve, considering 100% of non-CT Teslas came with highway Autopilot when that data was collected. It only makes sense if Tesla users are not using ADS and are bad drivers at the same time. Another possibility is Tesla's ADS is not reducing accidents as significantly as claimed.

 

[CyberGus]

From June 2021 through mid-2024, there were 3,979 reported incidents involving Automated Driving Systems (ADS) or Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS), with at least 83 deaths, according to reported data.

Yes, almost 100 deaths have been attributed to ADAS over the last five years.
However, more than 100 people in the United Stated are killed in traffic
every.
single.
day.
It's hard to believe that FSD14+ could do worse than that.

My statement was simply that ADS systems have likely directly caused deaths, and regulation has been minimal.

This is very true, there is little regulation in this arena, and that will certainly need to change.

 

[Eka]

in a few years, when Tesla has lowered the per-mile cost of the RoboTaxi to around .50/mile, the Legacy automakers are litterally, toast. No THINKING person will EVER buy an ICE vehicle, or even an EV again, as the cost of the vehicle & financing, insurance, parking, maint, fuel exceeds .50/mile, the thinking people will at first not buy a 2nd car, then they will get rid of the 2nd car, then, after a bit, the smart ones will get rid of their ONLY vehicle... why pay more for getting around than you have to? There are of course special cases, for people who are in the trades, but for your ordinary shopping, doctors visits, and places most people go, its over for car ownership. period.

I don't think you understand convenience versus cost. At a certain income level and up, having a vehicle, chauffeured or FSD, at your beck and call is convenient and avoids wasted time. Cost wise, meh, pocket change. This is why executives of large corporations most often have chauffeured limos and private jets. They avoid wasted time which is often very costly. Also they allow them to work or relax while traveling. As the cost for being driven drops, like with FSD, you will see this drop into lower and lower income levels.

 

[mitch9]

I don't think you understand convenience versus cost. At a certain income level and up, having a vehicle, chauffeured or FSD, at your beck and call is convenient and avoids wasted time. Cost wise, meh, pocket change. This is why executives of large corporations most often have chauffeured limos and private jets. They avoid wasted time which is often very costly. Also they allow them to work or relax while traveling. As the cost for being driven drops, like with FSD, you will see this drop into lower and lower income levels.

The vast majority of average people (that does not include "high income" btw) will no longer own multiple cars, then will go to owning 1 vehicle, then eventually none. period. it will cost 1/2 or less to get you to where you have to go, ride hail will be everywhere, and the average wait time will be in single minutes, that is when the transitiion will happen. its really the end of most of the automotive industry, especially ICE mfrs. It does not mean that their won't be some with their own vehicles, just as I stated in another post, some people still own horses, but in general, they don't use them for everyday transportation. There are of course exceptions, such as the trades. service etc, but they will in general have vans/trucks, not cars

 

[Pops]

in a few years, when Tesla has lowered the per-mile cost of the RoboTaxi to around .50/mile, the Legacy automakers are litterally, toast.

I'm sorry $0.50 a mile? The average driver does 1200 miles a month. That would cost $600 to own nothing. You can easily own a used EV and pay the energy prices for around that cost.

It would cost me less than $70 to go 1,200 miles in my Model Y. I could by a used one for $30k ($500 monthly payment). So its already cheaper than what Robo Taxi aspires to be. If its paid off, Robo Taxi would be >$500 more expensive.

 

[mitch9]

I'm sorry $0.50 a mile? The average driver does 1200 miles a month. That would cost $600 to own nothing. You can easily own a used EV and pay the energy prices for around that cost.

It would cost me less than $70 to go 1,200 miles in my Model Y. I could by a used one for $30k ($500 monthly payment). So its already cheaper than what Robo Taxi aspires to be. If its paid off, Robo Taxi would be >$500 more expensive.

The COST of the vehicle itself and the FINANCING of the vehicle (divide it by the # of years/miles you drive it) , the FUEL cost for driving those miles, the PARKING cost of the vehicle (ridehail has no such cost), the INSURANCE cost of the vehicle (none for ride hail), the MAINTENANCE cost of the vehicle (none for ride hail). It's the TOTAL cost you need to compare, add it all up, are you still below .50/mile?

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