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Here are the exact same calculations at 5,000 foot altitude. There is a 233Wh/mile difference from sea level. So you see, unless your references start listing altitude, temperature, headwind/tailwind component, the average grade of the drive, the type of tires, the material of the roadway, and...

"Tesla Model X LR+, 100 kwh, 5,421 lb (2,459 kg), 350 miles range 2021 Apex Nano 194bhs 22', 4,800lbs, 55mph, 800 wh/mi 108 mi between charge" An increase from 335Wh/mi to 800Wh/mi from a 4,800 pound trailer with a frontal area of 74 sq/ft would mean that a fifth wheel that weighs nearly 3...

Your “evidence” supports my statement more than yours.

Anecdotal stories are not evidence. And if an ICE loses 40% of its range, the BEV will lose more because the BEV does not use energy to maintain combustion. Therefore, an ICE doesn’t use twice the fuel for twice the power to the wheels, it uses something less. In addition, ICE engines are...

A 10% grade is pretty rare. Max on highways are around 7%. Denver to the Ike is an average of 2%. The bigger issue I see is that it will take around 160kWh to travel those 58 miles.

Show me an EV pulling a 14,000 pound 5th wheel losing only 50% of their range. Show me evidence of an ICE vehicle only losing 40% of range pulling a similar trailer. I provided the evidence in the form of actual physics. Now you provide evidence of your claims.

I am not your technical support.

I get that you are smoking some real good shit if you think the Cybertruck is going to have a CD of .25. Pass it over man! :)

1. 5,000 pounds for Cybertruck, 14,000 pounds for 5th wheel. 2. & 3. 0.55 Which is actually a rather good number for a truck and 5th wheel. The CD of either is irrelevant and you need to use the CD of both together. 4. & 5. 9.66 sq/m 6. 60 MPH

The Tesla semi is also far more aerodynamic than anything pulling a fifth wheel.

It is my own.

Maybe a 5,000 pound travel trailer, yes. But just doing the math on a fifth wheel travel trailer weighing 14,000 pounds, and I get an energy requirement of around 2,000Wh/mi. Are you suggesting the CT will come with a 560kWh battery?

How is 150 miles pulling a 14k pound fifth wheel enough range? Because that is what you will get.

Sounds more like Cybermen.

I think the Cybertruck is going to require around at least 500Wh/mi. If it is going to get 500 miles of range, it needs a 250kWh battery pack. The chemistry doesn't matter. 250kWh is 250kWh no matter what the chemistry is.

i was just thinking. If the cyber truck gets half the range when towing, and we expect a 250kWh battery, then that means about 1kWh/mile. If Tesla made a 14000 travel trailer., they could put in the trailer a 500kWh battery to supplement the CT. That would yield around 750 miles while towing...

Yeah, that isn't showing the benefits of the 4680. It is showing future goals. The 4680 isn't going to provide an increase in energy density.

They were vague on purpose hoping people would draw this conclusion. The 4680 doesn't provide a 54% improvement. That is technology they are working on for the future.