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[CyberMoose]

I don't think road trip costs should be a big factor when choosing electric vs gas unless you are someone who is continuously on the road and/or will frequently use superchargers as your main source of charging.

A friend of mine still hasn't converted to electric yet and he's looking at buying another ICE vehicle and one of the reasons he is leaning away from electric is because a lot of the chargers he has looked into had prices above $0.50-$0.65/kwh (CAD). He even had a whole bunch of data collected for prices of level 3 chargers for when he drives up to a cottage in the summer and how it would cost him more than gas.

He still holds this as one of the concerns he has for EV's even after I pointed out that he barely drives outside of 30 minutes of his house more than like 10 times a year and the electricity rates where we live is $0.08/kwh (CAD). Most electric vehicle battery sizes wouldn't cost him $6 to fully charge 0-100%.


I think more people need to look at superchargers as more of a luxury. Unless someone constantly needs to charge quickly for long drives every day, possibly for their work, it doesn't have to be your main source of charging. A lot of grocery stores around where I lived in the city used to have free charging and free parking if you showed your receipt when leaving. I think many of those have changed to $1-$1.50 per hour, but that's still a good deal if you are getting proper L2 charging speeds.

But i'm sure most people probably just charge up at home. I would much rather save money 350 days of the year and then spend a little more 15 days of the year.

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[Rutrow]

Doesn't anyone consider the pollution when performing their EV vs ICE calculation?!? ?

 

[sigintel]

It drops about 10% for every 5 mph over 60. But it often doesn't matter. For normal driving, you charge every night and have plenty of energy.
For road trips, Superchargers are often only 50 miles apart.
So even at 80 mph you'll often never worry about it.

Most routes in Texas are well covered. If you are travelling San Antonio - Dallas - Houston you'll be skipping quite a few Supercharges on a trip.

Thank you for the info.

So 40% range drop driving 80 instead of 60?
10% for every 5mph over 60?
We drive 90-95mph on I-10 as it is wide open nothing getting across West Texas.
We have 85 mph speed limits in Texas and wide open country. Cops have better things to do than bust 10-15 over on wide open interstate.

Does anyone know: at 95 mph, how often (time and miles) do you need to stop?
How long do you need charge for roughly to do it again?
Thanks

 

[tcmccormick]

[CT will be my first EV]

just got back from a family vacation dfw to port richie fl.

These are one way stats as i didn't log it on way back.

22 sienna loaded with family and luggage. 1081 miles total. Was on cruise at 73mph for 90% of the trip. Had to make 1 refueling stop. 18g tank averaged a little over 37mpg. Total fuel cost dfw to port richie $73.04 at just under 29 gallons used.

Looking at CT recharging video, it looks to be quite a lot more $ super charging the same distance and a lot more time. Is the charging vs fuel consumption savings only for home charging?

[CT will be my first EV]

Averaging 37 MPG loaded running 73 MPH loaded seems higher than expected. I am seeing the average for a 22 Sienna is around 32 MPG, but even at 37 MPG you will still be cheaper in a Tesla than your ICE. I have tracked energy usage since we first got a Tesla April 2022 and we pay less in energy costs. Supercharging is more expensive than charging at home but still is cheaper than gasoline. Of course if gas prices drop significantly and you have a very fuel efficient vehicle as your Sienna is the costs of road tripping gets closer, but the vast majority of our charging is at home so even if using Superchargers for a road trip is break even, overall we still come out way ahead in cost savings. I used your 37 MPG in my sheet and using average national gas prices as of Dec 2023 you save money. You then need to consider your Sienna's maintenance cost on top too.
Our EV home charging cost per mile is .04/mile and road trips is .072/mile. You can see a vehicle getting 37 MPG at an avg $3.26 per gallon still saves significant money just in fuel costs alone, plus the Tesla is a lot more fun to drive! Hope this helps.

 

[Woodrick]

Doesn't anyone consider the pollution when performing their EV vs ICE calculation?!? ?

Not really

There are those who do. But most are already driving Priuses.

But how would you add it to a calculation?

 

[Rutrow]

Thank you for the info.

So 40% range drop driving 80 instead of 60?
10% for every 5mph over 60?
We drive 90-95mph on I-10 as it is wide open nothing getting across West Texas.
We have 85 mph speed limits in Texas and wide open country. Cops have better things to do than bust 10-15 over on wide open interstate.

Does anyone know: at 95 mph, how often (time and miles) do you need to stop?
How long do you need charge for roughly to do it again?
Thanks

Bjørn Nyland did extensive testing 5 years ago to determine the optimal speed to drive to arrive at your destination fastest. Was efficiency at lower speeds worth it on long trips? or was top speed and $#!++y mileage worth it in the end? His testing was done in a Model X but I would bet it applies to all cars that can use chargers that attain SuperCharger speeds.

I won't spoil it for you Bjørn is fun to watch [language alert, he can be foul mouthed]

 

[Rutrow]

Not really

There are those who do. But most are already driving Priuses.

But how would you add it to a calculation?

If an EV can perform the tasks I need, I'm not going to pollute your kids air. Therefore I've decided I'm not going to buy another ICE passenger vehicle, and if an EV truck will suffice for my full time Airstream RV life, I won't buy an F-250 either. Should I need to drag a dozer to my cabin, I'll rent an F-450.

I'm not an absolutist, but I'll do all I can to keep CO, CO2, and NOx out of the atmosphere... for the kids

 

[tcmccormick]

[CT will be my first EV]

just got back from a family vacation dfw to port richie fl.

These are one way stats as i didn't log it on way back.

22 sienna loaded with family and luggage. 1081 miles total. Was on cruise at 73mph for 90% of the trip. Had to make 1 refueling stop. 18g tank averaged a little over 37mpg. Total fuel cost dfw to port richie $73.04 at just under 29 gallons used.

Looking at CT recharging video, it looks to be quite a lot more $ super charging the same distance and a lot more time. Is the charging vs fuel consumption savings only for home charging?

Averaging 37 MPG you would still save money on energy costs. I have been tracking energy costs since we got our Tesla April 2022 and we have save money. Using Superchargers are move expensive than charging at home. Of course if gas prices drop significantly and you have a very fuel efficient vehicle the cost differences get closers, but overall still cheaper using an EV. Our home charging cost per mile is .04/mile and road trip cost per mile is .072/mile and we average both .05/mile while and ICE vehicle at 37 MPG and average gas price as of Dec 2023 $3.26/Gal is .104/mile.

Avg energy cost at home (Tennessee) .098./kWh and avg Supercharging is .36/kWh

You have to consider you maintenance costs of an ICE vehicle too on top of fuel savings. Using your 37 MPG in my spreadsheet you can see you still save money with an EV, plus a Tesla is much more fun to drive! Hope this helps.

 

[Rufus Frazier]

My wife and I took a fairly long road trip in our 21 Tesla Y Last summer. We drove 7,415 miles through 20 states, from North Florida to Western Montana, down to Louisiana and back to Florida. We charged 54 times which cost $771.16 or 10.4 cents per mile. On a couple legs I was able get the mileage the car said I should get. That is cruising at 60 - 65mph. Faster speeds costs you. Cruising at 80mph out West the mileage was significantly less. A rest stop every 2-1/2 hours was not a problem for us and there were plenty of superchargers. It was a great trip in a great country.

 

[L3it3R]

My longest road trip in my M3P was 5300 miles and cost me about $500.
Which is about the same as a 30mpg car paying $3/gallon
But the other side of that equation is that I charge at home for the rest of the time I'm driving, and that's about $250/year per car (we have 2 Teslas now, and the CT will make 3). PER YEAR.

 

[tcmccormick]

I don't think road trip costs should be a big factor when choosing electric vs gas unless you are someone who is continuously on the road and/or will frequently use superchargers as your main source of charging.

A friend of mine still hasn't converted to electric yet and he's looking at buying another ICE vehicle and one of the reasons he is leaning away from electric is because a lot of the chargers he has looked into had prices above $0.50-$0.65/kwh (CAD). He even had a whole bunch of data collected for prices of level 3 chargers for when he drives up to a cottage in the summer and how it would cost him more than gas.

He still holds this as one of the concerns he has for EV's even after I pointed out that he barely drives outside of 30 minutes of his house more than like 10 times a year and the electricity rates where we live is $0.08/kwh (CAD). Most electric vehicle battery sizes wouldn't cost him $6 to fully charge 0-100%.


I think more people need to look at superchargers as more of a luxury. Unless someone constantly needs to charge quickly for long drives every day, possibly for their work, it doesn't have to be your main source of charging. A lot of grocery stores around where I lived in the city used to have free charging and free parking if you showed your receipt when leaving. I think many of those have changed to $1-$1.50 per hour, but that's still a good deal if you are getting proper L2 charging speeds.

But i'm sure most people probably just charge up at home. I would much rather save money 350 days of the year and then spend a little more 15 days of the year.

People love to focus on the exceptions rather than the norm. Anyway you slice it EVs today (especially Tesla) is a no brainer over ICE vehicles. Unfortunately there is so much misinformation out there unless someone really takes the time to research and understand facts from FUD there will be people that don't get it, but I think those days are numbered. The tide is about to turn in a big way.

 

[Woodrick]

People love to focus on the exceptions rather than the norm. Anyway you slice it EVs today (especially Tesla) is a no brainer over ICE vehicles. Unfortunately there is so much misinformation out there unless someone really takes the time to research and understand facts from FUD there will be people that don't get it, but I think those days are numbered. The tide is about to turn in a big way.

I agree. There's a lot of people worried that Tesla may get a new title.

Bestselling Car AND Truck

As with any movement forward, there are the naysayers who know it won't happen.
And Toyota certainly didn't see the Model Y knocking them off the throne.

 

[sgmorton]

I would like to chime in here as a veteran of both EV and ICE Road trips...

Currently the Supercharger Road trip and ICE gasoline road trip are fairly comparable in cost. I have driven my Teslas from Houston to Dallas x 20, Los Angeles X3, San Deigo, Atlanta, Indy, KY, TN Orlando x2, Chicago.... I am sure I am forgetting some. Anyway the point I wanted to make is you are currently used to "getting there" and doing it as fast as you can. In an EV I treat it as it takes what it takes. I find that it takes about 15% longer to make the trip but and here it the best part. I arrive and can go out do something! I am not stressed out from doing an Iron Butt single stop between TX and FL. I did a few stops and I let my car do most of the driving (please Tesla enable AP/FSD on the CT soon) so when I arrive I am not tired at all! I've done the Houston to CA trip without stopping for the night just catching a little 20 minute nap at a SC. That's 29 hours for my door to door trip and then been good to go to Disney the same day! After a shower ...

The EV trip and the ICE trip are very different and once you get used to AP/FSD and lily pad charge hops it feels like a better way to travel.

For the record... my avg stop in my 2016 MS was around 22 mins and my avg stop in CT is closer 15 and it's not at it's full potential yet. I've done Hou - Nashville and Hou - Indianapolis in the CT and even without AP it was nice easy drive.

 

[Chris9702L]

Just did a similar road trip. 1000 miles from Colorado Springs to Peoria, Ill. Cost about $150 going out.

 

[Tony2times]

We travel in my Plaid, it's very convienient and easy, good range, charging stops average 15 minutes. It's far less $$$ than gasoline.

In that video I don't think the battery was warmed up at all (preconditioned) so he got the cold battery charging speeds. I also think that Tesla has the CyberTruck's system "held back" via software while they analyze telemetry for the first few batches.

On a road trip, you'll be 100% charged from your house, by the time you need to charge the battery will have preconditioned itself and you'll get the most optimal rate for the charger.

I'm not a tree hugger, I like fun and fast cars, but I do not see myself going back to gasonline cars now, they feel so old and dated compared to the Tesla experience.

Just wait and see, real world reviews from experienced Tesla owners will start hitting in a few months.

I’m with you on that re: not going back to ICE after Tesla. I just sold off GT3RS and the last of my ICE vehicles. The CT and Tesla experience are unmatched.

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