A Unionized Tesla Workforce Could Benefit All Parties

[Cybertruckee]

I was in management for most of my career and dealing with the union is a pain in my smooth-skinned as$.

But I am also aware of the history and what's behind the nation's prosperity which is now threatened with the wide chasm between the pay of CEO and the ordinary worker.

Probably not attainable in my lifetime who were scared-mongered to idiocy by the world "socialism". But the ideal corporate-worker system are those of Democratic socialist Nordic countries like Norway, Denmark..etc, where worker representative actually sit on the Board and where CEO pay disparity is no more than 5x against a lowest ranked employee -- and not by regulations but by national values.

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[alan auerbach]

No thank you. Will you also push to sell Tesla cars and trucks through dealerships? It’s a new world. not 1950.

I was in management for most of my career and dealing with the union is a pain in my smooth-skinned as$.

But I am also aware of the history and what's behind the nation's prosperity which is now threatened with the wide chasm between the pay of CEO and the ordinary worker.

Probably not attainable in my lifetime who were scared-mongered to idiocy by the world "socialism". But the ideal corporate-worker system are those of Democratic socialist Nordic countries like Norway, Denmark..etc, where worker representative actually sit on the Board and where CEO pay disparity is no more than 5x against a lowest ranked employee -- and not by regulations but by national values.

Is Texas a "Right to Work" state, or is it a pro-union one?

Does Texas still require new vehicles to be sold only at dealerships? Are any dealerships unionized?

 

[Crissa]

Is Texas a "Right to Work" state, or is it a pro-union one?

Does Texas still require new vehicles to be sold only at dealerships? Are any dealerships unionized?

Texas is a right to work state. It requires cars to be sold and delivered at independently owned dealerships. No dealerships are unionized that I know of.

I know I'm stating the obvious, but... Maybe it needs to be said.

-Crissa

 

[johnm6875]

 

[TruckElectric]

Johnna Crider writes for CleanTechnica. Ironic?

 

[TruckElectric]

Fact check: Biden overstates UAW support of electric cars
Hope Yen and Tom Krisher
Associated Press

Detroit – President Joe Biden glossed over important details and oversimplified the facts in his boast about support from the United Auto Workers union for his effort to dramatically increase sales of electric vehicles by decade’s end.

In his remarks Wednesday, Biden failed to say that UAW did not endorse the EV targets he set in an executive order signed last month. The union’s support is also dependent in part on robust government support for union-made cars in the form of tax credits in legislation pending in Congress – something that is far from guaranteed to happen.

A look at the claim:

Biden, praising the work of UAW members: “The main ‘Big Three’ (automakers) have decided along with the support of those unions on building, going electric, so we own that market.”

The facts: Not exactly. While UAW has expressed general support for more EV sales, it has repeatedly declined to back goals urged by Biden as part of his ambitious plan to combat climate change, including the 40% to 50% target agreed to by the largest automakers.

Biden last month announced his plan to “own” the EV market over foreign competitors, signing an order setting a goal that half of all new vehicles sold in 2030 will be zero-emissions vehicles, which environmental groups say is needed to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions. That would be a seismic shift in the U.S. from internal combustion engines to battery-powered vehicles.

Transportation is the single biggest U.S. contributor to climate change.

The United Auto Workers union, in fact, has voiced concerns about being too hasty with an EV transition because of the potential impact on industry jobs. Since electric vehicles generally have 30% to 40% fewer parts and are simpler to build, fewer workers will be needed to assemble them. That will likely mean a reshuffling of jobs, as workers who once made engines, transmissions and other components for gas-powered cars have to switch to electric motors and batteries.

At the signing of Biden’s order, UAW did not endorse a target, pointedly saying it stands behind the president to ”support his ambition not just to grow electric vehicles but also our capacity to produce them domestically with good wages and benefits.”

Both UAW and the “Big Three” automakers – Ford, General Motors and Stellantis, formerly Fiat Chrysler – have made clear that a “dramatic shift” can only happen with incentives for electric vehicle purchases, adequate government funding for charging stations and money to expand electric vehicle manufacturing and the parts supply chain.

In a bipartisan infrastructure bill awaiting congressional passage, there is $7.5 billion for grants to build charging stations, about half of what Biden originally proposed. He also had wanted $100 billion for tax credits and rebates to entice people into buying electric vehicles. At least some of that money was expected to be incorporated in a $3.5 trillion spending bill that is facing resistance in Congress.

The Detroit News

 

[Crissa]

That's why the EV credit has the Union and American assembled bonus. That's the way to drag them to the front so they'll support the bill.

Those articles are from April, before the UAW showed up at Biden's EV day and before these were written into the Senate and House bills.

-Crissa

 

[Red61224]

Fact check: Biden overstates UAW support of electric cars
Hope Yen and Tom Krisher
Associated Press

Detroit – President Joe Biden glossed over important details and oversimplified the facts in his boast about support from the United Auto Workers union for his effort to dramatically increase sales of electric vehicles by decade’s end.

In his remarks Wednesday, Biden failed to say that UAW did not endorse the EV targets he set in an executive order signed last month. The union’s support is also dependent in part on robust government support for union-made cars in the form of tax credits in legislation pending in Congress – something that is far from guaranteed to happen.

A look at the claim:

Biden, praising the work of UAW members: “The main ‘Big Three’ (automakers) have decided along with the support of those unions on building, going electric, so we own that market.”

The facts: Not exactly. While UAW has expressed general support for more EV sales, it has repeatedly declined to back goals urged by Biden as part of his ambitious plan to combat climate change, including the 40% to 50% target agreed to by the largest automakers.

Biden last month announced his plan to “own” the EV market over foreign competitors, signing an order setting a goal that half of all new vehicles sold in 2030 will be zero-emissions vehicles, which environmental groups say is needed to significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions. That would be a seismic shift in the U.S. from internal combustion engines to battery-powered vehicles.

Transportation is the single biggest U.S. contributor to climate change.

The United Auto Workers union, in fact, has voiced concerns about being too hasty with an EV transition because of the potential impact on industry jobs. Since electric vehicles generally have 30% to 40% fewer parts and are simpler to build, fewer workers will be needed to assemble them. That will likely mean a reshuffling of jobs, as workers who once made engines, transmissions and other components for gas-powered cars have to switch to electric motors and batteries.

At the signing of Biden’s order, UAW did not endorse a target, pointedly saying it stands behind the president to ”support his ambition not just to grow electric vehicles but also our capacity to produce them domestically with good wages and benefits.”

Both UAW and the “Big Three” automakers – Ford, General Motors and Stellantis, formerly Fiat Chrysler – have made clear that a “dramatic shift” can only happen with incentives for electric vehicle purchases, adequate government funding for charging stations and money to expand electric vehicle manufacturing and the parts supply chain.

In a bipartisan infrastructure bill awaiting congressional passage, there is $7.5 billion for grants to build charging stations, about half of what Biden originally proposed. He also had wanted $100 billion for tax credits and rebates to entice people into buying electric vehicles. At least some of that money was expected to be incorporated in a $3.5 trillion spending bill that is facing resistance in Congress.

The Detroit News

So what else is new coming out of the former senator's mouth. He just follows what his handlers tell him to say and has been filmed making comments that if he answers questions from the press he will get into trouble, too many times to be a joke.

 

[Crissa]

So what else is new coming out of the former senator's mouth. He just follows what his handlers tell him to say and has been filmed making comments that if he answers questions from the press he will get into trouble, too many times to be a joke.

So you've never had a desire to give a straight answer that your boss or wife wouldn't like but held your tongue or joked about it because there's a better way than being an asshole?

-Crissa

 

[TruckElectric]

 

[Crissa]

I doubt someone from Munich knows one way or the other. That Twitter account seems devoted to making mostly bad takes, anyhow.



That's not true, in any sense.

-Crissa

 

[Cybertruckee]

So what else is new coming out of the former senator's mouth. He just follows what his handlers tell him to say and has been filmed making comments that if he answers questions from the press he will get into trouble, too many times to be a joke.

Yeah, I like the words coming out of that former TV entertainer and professional grifter mouth. So up to the level of his fellow idiot followers, lol.

I heard the then ex-senator speak to small audience without notes or teleprompter outlining the country's challenges, problem analytics and his proposed solution -- including how to put the country economically ahead with the marriage of high-tech and renewable energy (EV and national electrification).

And if you are still waiting for the reinstatement of your president, even if he failed to show up last Aug 13, marinate meanwhile in your tears.. He is President Joe Biden -- not simply former senator.

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