CTInProcess
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Except when they claim it’s their best product ever. I don’t see the issue with getting on Musk and Tesla about this….. unless of course you own stock….
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It just might be their best product ever. It's certainly innovative and tough, I can see why Musk is proud of it. He was very instrumental in creating it. Of course, there is no one vehicle for everyone, and no one is twisting your arm to buy it.
"Best" is subjective, you don't seem to understand that.
CTInProcess
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You’re not understanding that being their best product ever means making sure the customers get the best product ever without these little issues. Right now, it doesn’t look so “tough”….
Tesla should be twisting my arm to buy it….
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Wow, Tesla isn't going to twist anyone's arm to buy a Cybertruck, because they don't have to. You don't seem to understand that Tesla is the one with the goods, all you have is money. Lot's of people have money for a new truck, only Tesla has the Cybertruck. If you don't buy it, someone else will.
I'm guessing you have never owned a Ford, GM or Dodge truck either. The Cybertruck really is tough, it doesn't take much to damage the rest.
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Is that why they keep sending out different gimmicks to get people to jump the line?
Ford, GM or Dodge aren’t Tesla. Tesla should be held to a higher standard as the leader in EV’s the others are minor league…
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It makes no sense to hold different automakers to different standards.
They are all competing for the same dollars from the same new vehicle buyers and the market will hold them to the same standards.
It's widely misunderstood that there is an EV market and a seperate ICE vehicle market. It's false because every EV sold displaces an ICE vehicle. That's true even if the buyers previous vehicle was EV. Both products fulfill the same purpose, to get people and stuff from A to B. People will chose one powertrain or the other. Tesla had to make their cars good enough, and price them low enough, to compete with ICE vehicles.
You could argue that early buyers would buy one just because it was electric, but we are long past that point. Now consumers have a wide variety of choices in both powertrain types, and they will buy the vehicle they feel offers them the most bang for the buck.
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None of that excuses Tesla from quality control. Hinges coming off the door panel
/body should not be happening no matter how many times you slam the door.
We’ve gotten used to Tesla low quality builds that we see now accepting them as normal, and we shouldn’t.
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Occasional mis-torqued fasteners happen with every make and model. Just be glad it was really minor, and not wheels falling off or paint failing and peeling in two years like other manufacturers have experienced.
There is a concerted campaign to convince new car buyers that Tesla are low quality with shoddy builds. Every example is plastered across multiple social media platforms and then the mainstream media amplifies it with fake "reliability surveys". Our three Tesla are all 6 years old and all of them are more trouble free than any other new car we have bought including VW, Ford, Volvo, Mazda and Subaru.
The Volvo had a misaligned trunk lid, a defective aspirator fan for climate control, worse, the Volvo turbo charger bearings failed one month out of warranty, the same time the GM manufactured transmission needed to be replaced. The Ford leaked rainwater into the cabin from day one, the rubber seals were not attached continuously, and the shocks lost their damping in 30K miles, the Mazda had two misaligned doors, failed rear camera in the first month or two and the brakes rusted severely and wore out in 30K miles with mostly very little brake use. Our Teslas just get tires and windshield washer fluid and a couple of normal recall replacements under warranty. Tesla Mobile Service did them in our driveway.
Sure, there is a lot of noise about Tesla shoddy build quality, but mostly it's just normal defects that all aut makes have, amplified to a deafening crescendo by people trying to paint an exaggerated narrative. When the "whompy wheels" narrative lost credibility it switched to more normal stuff. It's so amplified, some people begin to expect it, and bring quality control checklists to the purchase. Most people never had a problem of any significance.
The Model Y was the best-selling car in the world last year. Of any type. That doesn't happen if the manufacturer has shoddy build quality.
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You want to talk about low quality builds!!
How about Toyota with over 70 years of vehicle building experience, their first EV, that Toyota much hyped, shipping to customers with basic mechanical problem that was unrelated to its EV components, safety critical defect that the wheel would fall off while car being driven, and Toyota taking over 6 months to fix the problem.
Tesla probably fixed door latch problem on the Cybertruck production line within a couple days of the problem being reported. Toyota took 6 months to fix a basic mechanical problem that was critical (wheels falling off).
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Sandy Munro talks about Tesla's unmatched pace of innovation and ongoing engineering improvements.
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Tesla Shows ‘Speed of Thought’ by Making 13 Changes in 3 Months, Sandy Munro Shocked.
In a rapidly changing marketplace, carmakers need to learn to think quickly, create and implement what they need real-time. At the moment, only Tesla operates this way. The slow speed of all other car manufacturers, unfortunately, slows down the speed of the world's transition to sustainable energy.
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https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tes...ng-13-changes-in-3-months-sandy-munro-shocked
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CTInProcess
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Good thing I don’t own a Toyota?
If you’re using Munro as a source you might as well use Musk…
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I have an issue with the inner hinge, driver door. It is held by two TORX screws that seem to loosen with repeated door opening and closing (ie from the pusher mechanism). When loose the door does not close completely. Could I try and deal with this myself, maybe something like locktite?
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Either source is better than Akio Toyoda, the CEO of Toyota for most of the last couple of decades.
I think your brain might be warped by listening too much to mainstream media who constantly attacks Tesla and Musk in an effort to keep their best advertisers selling a lot of product. They hate the fact that Sandy Munro is a straightshooter who has developed a more favorable reputation of Tesla than the other companies he has a long history with. As an engineer, Sandy LOVES the way Tesla implements improvements and engineers their vehicles. Sure, he gets some stuff wrong sometimes, but it's the overall positive view of Musk and Tesla they hate because he directly contradicts their narrative that Tesla's are shoddily built. It makes them look foolish.
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