First Drive FSD v13.2.6 disappointing

[Shadowmite]

Argh!!! I am sure this is a dumb question, but if it sees the lines, can’t it be trained to stay in the middle or at least between them? I understand it is no longer rules based, but if they need a video of staying in the lane passing a semi, I can do that!

this is a worry. Seems like a little focus could fix this. 3rd update with this issue!!

The problem with this is forcing centering means not allowing this to be end to end control. The AI has to be free to put the car wherever it wants or you'll hit debris that's in the tire tracks when centered. Problem is the AI still has some learning to go on vehicles like the CT. 3/Y are pretty damn solid, and my X was basically as good as my wifes Y. But my CT, wow it goes from excellent to crappy in seconds. I think they are forced to limit training data for CT due to the vehicle size so that they don't hit things but we're a little behind as a result.

This is just my opinion of course, but a educated one.

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[Jhodgesatmb]

Argh!!! I am sure this is a dumb question, but if it sees the lines, can’t it be trained to stay in the middle or at least between them? I understand it is no longer rules based, but if they need a video of staying in the lane passing a semi, I can do that!

this is a worry. Seems like a little focus could fix this. 3rd update with this issue!!

+1

I have no issue with the truck not staying the center, and I agree with others that the system should be allowed to decide where in the lane it should be, but it should at least stay in the lane. There is nothing to be gained by driving outside the lines and can be quite stressful depending on the conditions (weather and road).

As for my other comments, I am mostly concerned about how FSD handles being around other cars and how it decides where to be for upcoming exits. For me it signals very late in the game, and often chooses the wrong lane for upcoming actions (such as not getting to the right for an exit with less than a mile to go when there are a lot of cars queuing up for the exit). I do not like the following distance that it chooses. It used to be that 'we' could select a following distance but not anymore. I do not care for its choice of speed on the highway. Sometimes too fast. Sometimes too slow. Admittedly it is more often than not just fine. Most of my issues are about the driving 'attitude' FSD has. It is not a particularly 'polite' driver, so I am concerned about the drivers it has been trained with. All of this boils down to trust issues for me. Yes, I use FSD while driving on the highway almost exclusively now, but there are enough issues still that I just don't trust it yet.

 

[MeadowShade]

+1

I have no issue with the truck not staying the center, and I agree with others that the system should be allowed to decide where in the lane it should be, but it should at least stay in the lane. There is nothing to be gained by driving outside the lines and can be quite stressful depending on the conditions (weather and road).

As for my other comments, I am mostly concerned about how FSD handles being around other cars and how it decides where to be for upcoming exits. For me it signals very late in the game, and often chooses the wrong lane for upcoming actions (such as not getting to the right for an exit with less than a mile to go when there are a lot of cars queuing up for the exit). I do not like the following distance that it chooses. It used to be that 'we' could select a following distance but not anymore. I do not care for its choice of speed on the highway. Sometimes too fast. Sometimes too slow. Admittedly it is more often than not just fine. Most of my issues are about the driving 'attitude' FSD has. It is not a particularly 'polite' driver, so I am concerned about the drivers it has been trained with. All of this boils down to trust issues for me. Yes, I use FSD while driving on the highway almost exclusively now, but there are enough issues still that I just don't trust it yet.

I am NOT a fan of it playing chicken. It has done it so many times at tolls. Which, are near perfect now except for the chicken thing. The other day, it ran guy to a stop and would have run him into the divider. Since my wife was not around, I let it go just to see what happened. The guy was just trying to squeeze me and shove me over so he could have my toll lane. The CT just stayed right beside him until we both stopped and he was just 10 feet from the divider. I was confident the entire time that we would not hit each other but that guy was pissed! FSD should have sped up or slowed down. It should not just match speed and block.

About the middle of the lane.

I honestly don't see how that has ANYTHING to do with debris. Some wondering is fine. But I have posted video of it hitting the rumble strips on the left lane when passing a semi over and over on arrow straight interstate. I chose the middle because it gives you equal space to miss things, including debris. SURE it should move to miss trash in the road. After 100,000 FSD miles, I have never had it do that and have had 3 flats because it did not.

But sometimes, it seems drunk.

 

[ViralTesla]

My FSD on my beast is absolutely remarkable! Has literally driven me from point A to point B multiple times with 0 interventions. Only thing it always does is stops in front of my neighbors drive vs mine, so I just cancel it on approach to my home.

 

[STx Cybertruck]

+1

I have no issue with the truck not staying the center, and I agree with others that the system should be allowed to decide where in the lane it should be, but it should at least stay in the lane. There is nothing to be gained by driving outside the lines and can be quite stressful depending on the conditions (weather and road).

As for my other comments, I am mostly concerned about how FSD handles being around other cars and how it decides where to be for upcoming exits. For me it signals very late in the game, and often chooses the wrong lane for upcoming actions (such as not getting to the right for an exit with less than a mile to go when there are a lot of cars queuing up for the exit). I do not like the following distance that it chooses. It used to be that 'we' could select a following distance but not anymore. I do not care for its choice of speed on the highway. Sometimes too fast. Sometimes too slow. Admittedly it is more often than not just fine. Most of my issues are about the driving 'attitude' FSD has. It is not a particularly 'polite' driver, so I am concerned about the drivers it has been trained with. All of this boils down to trust issues for me. Yes, I use FSD while driving on the highway almost exclusively now, but there are enough issues still that I just don't trust it yet.

In construction zones where one of the two highway lanes that you are driving on is closed the truck should see the cones in the road, trucks, equipment and workers milling around and take that as a cue to slow the hell down. I went through a zone like that with trucks moving around and I had to slow the truck down myself from 75 mph down to a safer passing speed. It was way too fast through that tight temporary construction zone. I know that we will get there where the vehicle drives flawlessly and maybe I am impatient but when you mostly use FSD on drives you have high expectations.

 

[CybertruckCovers]

I have had my CT for about one month and since the day that I took delivery it has had issues with staying in the center of the lane stripes. My hard v. 3 Model S was much better at keeping within the lane stripes. The CT has been disappointing with this respect. Otherwise I would absolutely love the truck. With this major flaw in FSD I just do not feel the confidence in the truck's driving that I should feel at this point. I hope it changes soon.

I still often wonder why there's no Enhanced Auto Pilot like on the other models.

 

[MetroWestMA]

I just updated last night, but the previous version was driving off the left side of certains highways constantly, especially around big trucks. For example, on 495 in MA it will switch to the left lane to pass a slow moving truck, then slowly drive the left tires over the yellow line and into the ribbed area.

Super annoying. I guess wherever they develop this, the highways aren't like that. It is disappointing to hear it is now worse, because it was so bad I figured it would be fixed.

 

[Shadowmite]

I still often wonder why there's no Enhanced Auto Pilot like on the other models.

I don't believe any model is selling that feature now? They did in the past, but I think the major goal is FSD now.

 

[Rory]

if your are suffering line hugging or even crossing, 1. make sure the cameras are clean and 2. do a camera calibration. I needed the calibration after the last update and since then it's been spot on solid.

agreed - try the calibration

 

[jimbaum]

Mine was running the center of the land just fine - even to the point I felt it being too close to wide rigs.
Yesterday, it started hugging the left yellow line, and even into the wake-up zone so I was a bit mystified if the programming had changed as well.

 

[LiveFreeOrDieBob]

My truck has never had the lane hugging issue at all. I had two issues with version 13.2.2 - clipping the apex on left turns, and on some 90 degree left turns onto neighborhood streets with no markings, it would turn left onto the perpendicular road onto the wrong side of the road, so into the oncoming lane. That issue went away with 13.2.4 for me, and it was pretty damned close to perfect - I would almost never have to intervene on complex drives in town or on the highway.

But 13.2.6 had a major regression on the "left turn into the wrong lane" issue. Not sure what training data they are adding for these incremental point releases, but it sometimes feels like we are taking 1 step forward (slight improvement in lane selection or braking distance maybe?) and two steps back (pulling out onto major 55mph road in the completely wrong lane). I wish there were more detailed release notes versus the recent release notes which are basically useless.

 

[MI2Y4U]

I am on a shakedown "cruise" with my CB. Started in Houston, drove to Ft Myers, Fl to pick up my S-I-L and drive her back to NJ. Still cruising in NJ and will be headed back to Texas in a week or so.
90% of the driving was FSD. 7000 miles later the interventions were few and far between. No issues when passing trucks, cars, trailers, RVs etc. This was mostly Interstate, toll roads, turnpikes and parkways. Maybe its the roads that somehow are confusing the trucks? I've had my lightbar installed in Ft Myers. After three tries and a broken windshield they finally got it right. Then in NJ the windshield wiper went crazy. It started wiping the frunk lid, then it started dueling with other cars went it started waving out the front of the Frunk. The last time I turned it on, it did a 360 and nestled on my door between the body and the mirror. Needless to say I have an appointment to have that repaired before we head back to Texas. BTW, We intend to attend The Chattanooga Charge on the way back. Is there anything we need to look out for in Chattanooga?

 

[HaulingAss]

It’s disappointing that the vehicle that was promoted to buyers as the pinnacle of Tesla’s fleet continues to lag other offerings in features and function.

No, actually it was expected that Cybertruck would have some catch-up FSD training to do before it could match FSD on other more numerous Tesla models with hardware 4. The key advantage Tesla has over other competitors in the autonomous driving space is billions of miles of training data.

However, the Cybertruck is still building up training data and this things like lane centering still needs a bit of work. But don't worry, it won't take very long, probably within 12 months Cybertrucks FSD will be on par with, or even slightly better, than other vehicles with hardware 4. And Cybertruck is already better than any other car with semi-autonomous driver aids (some obvious deficiencies at times with lane centering not withstanding).

It's kind of odd because most often it lane centers perfectly, for many miles at a time and on different road types, but then, on certain drives, or at certain times, it goes into an alternate mode characterized by being offset a few feet to the left (sometimes) or, to the right (sometimes). I've even seen it just slowly dirft out of perfectly marked lane lines for no apparent reason. It's very close to being as good as my wifes refreshed Model 3 Performance, but it has these occasional oddities that obviously need to be worked out of the system. i really don't think it will take long at all and it's already very useable 99% of the time.

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