Model Y Refresh (Juniper) Revealed

[ABILISK]

I make a regular trip that's an hour and fifteen minutes away to the city next to mine. Once there, I drive locally around half an hour, then I drive home. Now that it is cold out, this trip requires a 10 minute supercharger stop. I normally make the trip alone, but I had 3 passengers with me the last time I did it. The amount of ridicule I received that I had to stop on the trip home actually got to me... and you know what, the ridicule was justified.

Driving from Buffalo, NY to Rochester and back in one day when it's cold out is not an edge case. I am sure hundreds of people do this every day and it is cold 4-6 months a year. People in ICE vehicles don't need to stop in Batavia for 10 minutes. If you want to convert the large number of people who say they will never buy an EV, like my 3 passengers, you need to make it so you don't need to make stops like this. Two weeks later, my friends are still making fun of having to stop.

EVs are a paradigm change. Remember when we all charged our Nokias once a week? Now we charge our iPhones daily, if not multiple times daily. We have chargers in multiple rooms in our houses and in our cars. That’s all this is. We charge our cars more often than dinosaur cars have to fuel up, but we’re laughably more capable and way cheaper to operate and maintain. Small price to pay for what they offer.

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[HaulingAss]

Many people on this forum who own CT's want more range. Home charging doesn't help on long trips, especially in the winter.

I recently took a trip in my Cybertruck from near the Canadian border in Washington to Reno and can say more range wouldn't have helped in any significant manner. It just would have made the truck heavier and more expensive. I was shocked how quickly it charged and how seldom I had to stop. The key is how many new Supercharger locations there are, and more hotels than ever have destination charging. I had my pick of Superchargers, even though I took the less travelled roads because the distance was slightly shorter.

And, yes, home charging does help on long trips because you can start with 100% and return nearly empty. You can't do that without home charging. And every time you want to stop for the night is another opportunity to start with a full battery at no additional cost of time

 

[HaulingAss]

More range is better. Don't pretend you wouldn't take more range if the price were the same.

Even with the price of batteries becoming gradually less expensive, they will never be free. So in what world would the price ever bet the same between a shorter and longer range version?

And this totally ignores the disadvantage of the added weight. That reduces the payload capacity too, just look at the Silverado with the max range, it has a pitiful 1,400 lbs. max payload capacity. It goes down from there with accessories like a lockable tonneau cover. The Cybertruck nearly doubles that. It's too heavy to off-road too, the manual says to stick to roads.

 

[CyberJay]

Think it looks dumb IMO and from what I am seeing doesn't have 48v steer by wire, faster charging etc etc. purely cosmetic difference other than suspension lol?

Battery..
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[Cybertruck2024]

You can easily do that in any Tesla with over 300 miles of range, even when it's 10F outside.

But i see a lot of people put inefficient tires and wheels on, run the tires two to four PSI too low, and drive poorly and inefficiently and blame the car.

Keep in mind that what you describe is longer than 99% of all trips in a private car. It can still do that, but it's not a typical trip for most people.

Winter tires get worse range. Unfortunately they also prevent me from dying during the winter, so I need them.

The trip is a day trip, the phantom drain being parked outside a few hours not in use when it is 10 degrees outside is meaningful.

 

[REM]

I literally cannot take my cyber truck to Ely Nevada and back because there’s nowhere to charge once I get there other than finding a private residence or property that will allow me to plug into a 120 V charger (where I would need to sit for 25 hours) or rely on some crappy electrify America that everybody in the area who owns an EV is going to be in line at!

uh... like this one?

 

[dalton108]

Just went online apparently, but unfortunately ABRP still doesn’t know how to get me there and this is without towing my trailer. Which I’ll want/need to.

 

[dalton108]

TeslaDashCam X channel reported over 50,000 Tesla Y orders in China for the new model in a single day.

Not surprised.

 

[VAF84]

I’ll never understand why some people are so invested in fighting the less range is better argument to the death. Is it for arguments sake? Some people need or want more range, what’s the problem? Maybe some want to punch it at every light and drive it 90mph on the toll way. Maybe some people want to cruise at 85mph+ on trips when the weather is 33degrees. Maybe one wants to pull a trailer going 70mph and not stop every 45 min. Maybe someone wants to add some off road tires and do all the aforementioned.

I think it’s getting funny. I think I’ll start arguing that I’m not buying a Tesla because it has too much range. I bet the same people argue that you need more range. Just arguing for arguments sake. Jeez.

 

[dalton108]

I’ll never understand why some people are so invested in fighting the less range is better argument to the death. Is it for arguments sake? Some people need or want more range, what’s the problem? Maybe some want to punch it at every light and drive it 90mph on the toll way. Maybe some people want to cruise at 85mph+ on trips when the weather is 33degrees. Maybe one wants to pull a trailer going 70mph and not stop every 45 min. Maybe someone wants to add some off road tires and do all the aforementioned.

I think it’s getting funny. I think I’ll start arguing that I’m not buying a Tesla because it has too much range. I bet the same people argue that you need more range. Just arguing for arguments sake. Jeez.

1. My bladder can’t take more.
2. Stop being poor and just charge at home, loser! Superchargers are gross!
3. Why would you ever need to go more than 60 miles from home?
4. If I want to go somewhere farther than that I fly, because I’m not poor.
5. You have to use the right tool for the right job, you need a diesel also.
6. Elon is Lord.
7. Why don’t you just drive safe and do the speed limit! Or less? No human being needs to go faster than 55 miles an hour especially while towing. I take the back roads and only drive 35 miles an hour, like a real man!

They’ve argued every single one of these including #6.

I’m only going to respond to #7 again here because it’s the one that chaps my ass the most!

In between me and my most favorite camping grounds is a huge stretch of highway with an 80 mph speed limit. Most people do 90! This is a common feature of driving in the west outside of the state of California.

I cannot do 55 miles an hour, even with a trailer because of the speed of the flow of traffic! If you’re not doing a minimum of 75 you are a road hazard towing or not towing.

I don’t know how to make it any plainer. I’ve never owned a diesel and I’m not going to start now because I need to augment my EV! ??‍?

I bought the CB because I love it in spite of it being less than what I actually need. What I needed was the 500 miles that Elon knew I needed it until he couldn’t meet that standard and then decided to try to convince me that I didn’t (along with RJ). I know what I need. I cannot be gaslit.

I can tolerate 400 miles of range. This would make the truck usable for almost all of my needs if not ideal. 500 would make it superior to any ICE vehicle in every way (which was Tesla’s intent). 300 mls simply means that the truck is not capable of performing many of my common uses well, or at all.

Those are the facts. Their comeback is #8.

#8. Well, that doesn’t represent their customer base and Tesla knows that. Most people with trucks don’t need to go anywhere, and 300 miles is more than enough. They’re not trying to address your “specialized needs.”

GTFOOH! ?

 

[BannedByTMC]

And they've promised a range extender for the Cybertruck, so buy an S or range extender, problem solved. All the folks are complaining then only about "up to" 65 miles difference, right? ?

The point, which you avoided, was that the weight differences you calculated were wrong and would be lower.

 

[VAF84]

1. My bladder can’t take more.
2. Stop being poor and discharge at home, loser
3. Why would you ever need to go more than 60 miles from home?
4. If I want to go somewhere farther than that I fly, because I’m not poor.
5. You have to use the right tool for the right job, you need a diesel also.
6. Elon is Lord.
7. Why don’t you just drive safe and do the speed limit no human being needs to go faster than 55 miles an hour especially while towing.

They’ve argued every single one of these including #6.

I’m only going to respond to 7 again here because it’s the one that chaps my ass the most!

In between me and one of my most favorite camping grounds is a huge stretch of highway with an 80 mph speed limit. Most people do 90. This is a common feature of driving in the west outside of the state of California.

I cannot do 55 miles an hour even with a trailer because of the rate of speed of the flow of traffic if you’re not doing a minimum of 75 you are a road hazard towing or not towing.

I don’t know how to make it any plainer. I’ve never ordered a diesel and I’m not going to start now because I need to augment my EV! ??‍

I bought the CB because I love it in spite of it being less than what I actually need. What I needed was the 500 miles that Elon knew I needed it until he couldn’t meet that standard and then decided to try to convince me that I didn’t (along with RJ). I know what I need. I cannot be gaslight.

Yea, the 55mph towing thing gets me. I thought it was a joke the first time I heard that you can't tow over 55mph in CA. If that was true for the rest of the country, I'd hire a hotshot to tow my trailer to the destination for me.

Can't imagine doing 55 across the long stretches of straight highway in Texas.

 

[BannedByTMC]

6. Elon is Lord.

This, and whatever product Tesla produces is perfect and cannot be improved, unless Tesla does improve it, then once again it's perfect.

 

[BannedByTMC]

Even with the price of batteries becoming gradually less expensive, they will never be free. So in what world would the price ever bet the same between a shorter and longer range version?

I was saying in a theoretical world you would take more range if it were free. If more range provided zero benefit as you like to pretend you would not take more range if it were free. As energy density continues to improve and production costs continue to drop, as they have been, eventually you will get more range for the same cost, or less, and same weight, just as the early S had less range and cost more than the newer ones.

 

[HaulingAss]

I was saying in a theoretical world you would take more range if it were free.

No one lives in a theoretical world. More expensive and heavier is always worse.

You can't negate those disadvantages by telling us to imagine a world where those disadvatanges don't exist.

In a theoretical world I would take a car with infinite range on a battery that was massless and never needed to be charged. But doubling the battery size won't get you there.

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