Ownership?

[Frankenblob]

According to the World Economic Forum "WEF" "You will own nothing, rent everything and be happy..." or how they phrase it now "I own nothing, I have no privacy and I am happy..."! All by 2030

Hopefully, the best of the best of the Cybertruck is released and I will OWN it, despite their IDIOCY!

I also hope major advancements are made in batteries (solid state, diamond batteries...) and I can be rippin around the "free world"!

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[azjohn]

If you rent somebody has to own it

 

[Frankenblob]

If you rent somebody has to own it

It appears, according to their website, Corporations/governments will be the SOLE owner and the citizen will be "screwed, blued and tatooed"!

 

[Crissa]

That's why we need things like "Right to Repair" and true-third-party source code and microcode audits.

Locking all features behind AUPs and shrink-wrap licenses and subscriptions does not in fact, encourage companies to innovate merely stall and create walled gardens that we can't avoid.

-Crissa

 

[jerhenderson]

It appears, according to their website, Corporations/governments will be the SOLE owner and the citizen will be "screwed, blued and tatooed"!

that would depend on if all your needs are met by the state....if you wanted for nothing ie food clothing shelter medical and you wouldn't for life would you really care? The US paranoia of having the state care for you being a bad thing is based on on having a large enough uneducated populace to believe it.

 

[Frankenblob]

that would depend on if all your needs are met by the state....if you wanted for nothing ie food clothing shelter medical and you wouldn't for life would you really care? The US paranoia of having the state care for you being a bad thing is based on on having a large enough uneducated populace to believe it.

I am not 100% sure what your response is but I DO NOT want ANY gobmint intervention in my immediate life. I can take care of myself, I am NOT a victim, I have never and will not be a "career welfare case", I can EARN MY OWN KEEP, gobmint should simply keep the infrastructure in working order, keep the Country safe and STAY OUT of peoples lives.
Fascio-communistic socialism is destructive to the umpteenth degree.
Also, I do not need a babysitter, "overlord" or pseudo-god running my life ( that includes the insaneness of A.I.)

 

[Ike_Lee]

that would depend on if all your needs are met by the state....if you wanted for nothing ie food clothing shelter medical and you wouldn't for life would you really care? The US paranoia of having the state care for you being a bad thing is based on on having a large enough uneducated populace to believe it.

It is not technically paranoia. I have been to the DMV, I have relatives who use the verteran services provided by the Gov., I have seen how this works. They are not good at running things like this since they have no incentive to be more efficient.

I like having the opportunity (however remote) of being independent, able to own a house without fear that someone can just evict me or make up new rules. And you should not just say that this is due to an uneducated population because opinion differs with yours. If people choose to rent all their things from corporations and choose not to own that is perfectly fine, but I want the freedom to choose.

 

[Crissa]

I can take care of myself, I am NOT a victim, I have never and will not be a "career welfare case", I can EARN MY OWN KEEP,

This is gibberish. Unless you live isolated from society on an island, collective action by society - which is the point of government - has created your base opportunities for success or failure.

From the wars fought by the government so that settlers could extract wealth from the land to currency stability to social services and policing so that markets and people and products are safe and transparent and recovered from disaster... Government makes that happen.

It's your choice, but having an inept or weak government is just setting yourself up for failure later. The government is only as good as people collectively put into it. You want it efficient? Campaign for that. Can't really campaign to change a corporation with the same efficiency.

If there were no strong government response, I wouldn't have a home in so many ways over. First, the wildfires would have raced through and destroyed my neighborhood because it isn't shielded by some rich guy's manse. I wouldn't have the safe water without paying ten times more on the private market. I wouldn't have the loan for the home without government stabilized loans. I wouldn't have the currency to spend without government created currency. My spouse wouldn't have a job were it not for a government created internet.

etc, etc.

-Crissa

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

that would depend on if all your needs are met by the state....if you wanted for nothing ie food clothing shelter medical and you wouldn't for life would you really care? The US paranoia of having the state care for you being a bad thing is based on on having a large enough uneducated populace to believe it.

That's not accurate. There is substantial data to say that individuality, independence and sense of ownership/accomplishment are vital to human happiness. Most people do not want to be treated as children, with a superior body taking care of their needs. They want to feel that they have taken care of themselves. It's innate, and I see it even in my young children. I help them with something and they say "No, I do it!" My brother served in Afghanistan, and when local property was destroyed the locals didn't want to be taken care of, they wanted proper business deals. The soldiers were each given an amount of money to spend in local shops whether they wanted anything or not. It was vital to give the local people a sense of value and worth by buying their products, rather than just give them handouts to survive.

There is also the fundamental issue of a government taking care of everything means a government controls everything which is universally the path to absolute power and a dictatorship. It's not paranoia, it's fact. That's not to say I don't support strong government programs for basic human needs like health care, food, shelter and so on. No one should be left behind. But those who aren't in need should not depend on government, and that's the only way to prevent everyone from being controlled by government.

 

[Frankenblob]

This is gibberish. Unless you live isolated from society on an island, collective action by society - which is the point of government - has created your base opportunities for success or failure.

From the wars fought by the government so that settlers could extract wealth from the land to currency stability to social services and policing so that markets and people and products are safe and transparent and recovered from disaster... Government makes that happen.

It's your choice, but having an inept or weak government is just setting yourself up for failure later. The government is only as good as people collectively put into it. You want it efficient? Campaign for that. Can't really campaign to change a corporation with the same efficiency.

If there were no strong government response, I wouldn't have a home in so many ways over. First, the wildfires would have raced through and destroyed my neighborhood because it isn't shielded by some rich guy's manse. I wouldn't have the safe water without paying ten times more on the private market. I wouldn't have the loan for the home without government stabilized loans. I wouldn't have the currency to spend without government created currency. My spouse wouldn't have a job were it not for a government created internet.

etc, etc.

-Crissa

I see, firstly, gobmint DOES NOT create currency - the PRIVATE ENTITY called the Fed Reserve does and THEY loan it out at interest -- an unlimited amount, i.e as MUCH and as FAST as they can type into a computer or have printed in the U.S Treasury

If people build in flood plains, known wildfire areas, in "Tornado alley" ...so be it but they should NOT then get gobmint assistance for their stupidity if a disaster happens.

Well water is, in the main, safer than chemicalized city water ( as long as ACME Corp is not leaving tailing ponds up the road).

Gobmint has not been , is not and will not be-for the foreseeable future- for, of and by the people.

But respectful, tightly fused, polite and sane people can work together harmoniously and NOT need "big brother gobmint".

And yes, I do see your point.

 

[Diehard]

Things will never be all or nothing with ownership vs rental, ”gobmint” vs corporations. We need them all for specific circumstances to work well. Government does not have competition so we have to put carrots and sticks in place for it to function well. Corporations and individual entities innovations have moved us forward and we depend on them but they are driven by profit and self preservation (if not initially, they often end up there). They need Carrots and sticks to care. on ownership, I will never rent a toothbrush and never buy a Boeing 747 to travel. For everything in between, I will have to do the math and would like to have the option.

 

[Crissa]

I see, firstly, gobmint DOES NOT create currency - the PRIVATE ENTITY called...

...That only exists because the government said it does. Without it, you have many competing currencies which leads to corruption and market cornering and runs on them... And there is no place that is safe from all disasters. That's why we band togeth to prevent or mitigate these things.

If people are tightly working together, they are a government.

The whole point of a government is summed up in the Preamble to the Constitution. By the People, For the People. We are the government.

-Crissa

 

[jerhenderson]

I am not 100% sure what your response is but I DO NOT want ANY gobmint intervention in my immediate life. I can take care of myself, I am NOT a victim, I have never and will not be a "career welfare case", I can EARN MY OWN KEEP, gobmint should simply keep the infrastructure in working order, keep the Country safe and STAY OUT of peoples lives.
Fascio-communistic socialism is destructive to the umpteenth degree.
Also, I do not need a babysitter, "overlord" or pseudo-god running my life ( that includes the insaneness of A.I.)

thanks for confirming that you don't understand socialist policies as you already have them and benefit from them. those darn public school systems and retirement benefits are soooooo bad....just for 2 examples.

 

[Ike_Lee]

thanks for confirming that you don't understand socialist policies as you already have them and benefit from them. those darn public school systems and retirement benefits are soooooo bad....just for 2 examples.

Interesting choice of examples. Public schools are not bad in general but private schools are typically better, which is why people pay extra to send their kids there. This, of course, is not true in all cases but it is true in the majority of them (otherwise the private schools would have all failed).

As for retirement benefits, the government benefits are not that great which is why most people end up investing on their own private retirement to augment the expected social income. There is a large group of people, myself included, that don't believe social security will provide what is promised or when it is promised. I would hate to have to work until I am 80 just so I can receive a mediocre income from the government. Private retirement investment may allow you to retire when at 55 if you are careful, make good decisions, and are a bit lucky.

Certain social policies are important but it seems that the private sector, historically, is almost always better at providing goods and services than the government.

 

[Crissa]

Public schools are not bad in general but private schools are typically better,

This is factually untrue. Of their students, public schools graduate more, and have similar knowledge attainment statistics. Kids whose parents can spent more start out higher than average, and private schools tend to exclude students with disabilities, which raises their scoring.

As for retirement benefits, the government benefits are not that great ...

...Because we have made them 'not that great'. We get the system that we, collectively, voted for. Social security doesn't drop any workers, so it pulls more out of poverty than any private system.

No private fire fighting system has better results than public ones. No private medical system prevents disease like a public system. Private water systems cost ten times on average what public ones do. Private road systems are intensely terrible... and have to be protected from public road competition.

So your priors are completely misinformed.

-Crissa

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