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Ford had a concept vehicle in 2008. It was never scheduled for delivery.

The Ford is arguably the best shipping electric truck for professionals. Comparing it to obsolete tech is silly.

You are essentially holding it to a standard which does not exist and won’t be available for Some time.

If someone had the choice between a Lightning and a Cybertruck it would be a different conversation. But they don’t.
F-150 Lightning is not available for purchase either. You can't even submit a pre-order! Saying Ford is shipping them or that is a differentiator simply because Ford has made and sold a measly 13K electric trucks is dubious, and more so when you consider the N. American pickup market is 3 million per year. That's only 0.04% of annual sales, it's meaningless.

And I'm not pointing out the original F-150 prototype is archaic, so was the state of development of the Model S development platform in 2008. I'm saying the current Lighting is archaic tech because they wasted a decade by not working on it while Tesla was busy bringing millions of EV's with increasingly better EV technology to market as time progressed. It's called learning and development. Ford just sat on their asses- and it's evident in the state of technology they released in the Lightning they finally rushed to market to be able to claim "first". Even then, little ol' Rivian beat them to market because Rivian has been working on improving EV technology since 2009.

The 2012 Tesla Model S was more advanced than the 2022 Lightning, a decade later. It's shameful, but Ford wanted to sell more gas trucks and didn't care to develop a competing solution until they were forced to by Tesla. What's silly is calling the Lightning "the best shipping truck for professionals" when you can't even pre-order one. 13,000 units in 12 months is insignificant. Tesla's oldest, least efficient factory in California, the one abandoned by GM and Toyota, makes more cars than that, every single day!
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People own the F150 Lightning. They are happy with the things it does for them.

There is no Tesla which can replace it so comparing it to a Tesla is a bit pointless. The technology in it isn’t as good as in the Rivian, but the Rivian doesn’t seem to be as appealing to people who want a work truck. Maybe it is? Maybe it’s just a marketing thing?

Regardless, until Tesla comes out with something saying “Tesla has better tech” is pointless.

Honestly, until we have regular supply and demand on these things the whole discussion is pointless. If you have an F150 reservation and your number is tapped, should you pull the trigger? Unless you have a really low Cybertruck reservation, there is a decent chance it’ll be fine.
 

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The Rivian is notably smaller than the Lightning. Like, in a good way, but also in a way that makes putting some things in the back a bit more work. I like it.

It also costs 50% more than I'm allowed to consider for a truck.

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In what way is the 2012 Model S more advanced than the Lightning?

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One example, the battery thermal management system is better engineered to be efficient in all temperature conditions while the F-150 Lightning's efficiency in the cold falls off a cliff. It's a cobbled together implementation and the battery heating/cooling system cannot add/remove heat from the batteries as efficiently or as evenly as the Model S. This will manifest as a shorter battery life in climates that are not mild.
 

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One example, the battery thermal management system is better engineered to be efficient in all temperature conditions while the F-150 Lightning's efficiency in the cold falls off a cliff. It's a cobbled together implementation and the battery heating/cooling system cannot add/remove heat from the batteries as efficiently or as evenly as the Model S. This will manifest as a shorter battery life in climates that are not mild.
I don't think you understand that 2012 Model S had difficulty cooling the pack and left a bunch of people sitting, unable to charge in Arizona.

You are incorrect. Battery temps being too cold don't shorten the life, they're just annoying. Too hot? That was a bunch of packs Tesla had to replace.

It's easy to forget this because every few months Tesla iterated and made their cars better, more reliable, and they rolled out software to prevent it. Sure, it sucked for whoever hit those bounds, but they fixed it. And so we forget it happened.

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People are finding the Lightning was not well designed for cold climates. Some of them are not happy at all, considering the high cost of the truck. The fact that Ford doesn't even make money on them is telling too.

Popular YouTuber Not Pleased With Ford F-150 Lightning Winter Range (insideevs.com)
It turns out something was wrong with the battery on that truck. They sold it, and it immediately died. Ford is going to replace the battery. BTW Crissa, he even says "Hoovies Garage, the dumbest automotive YouTube channel in all of YouTube". :p

 
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It turns out something was wrong with the battery on that truck. They sold it, and it immediately died. Ford is going to replace the battery. BTW Crissa, he even says "Hoovies Garage, the dumbest automotive YouTube channel in all of YouTube". :p

Do we believe him? Honestly?

Some packs are duds, sure. But...

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YouTubers are the modern equivalent of yellow journalism.

These guys publish whatever it takes to get paid. Whether that’s doing stupid things, shilling for companies, or legitimate content is anyone’s guess. Driving clicks, shilling product, or shilling product to get exclusives that drive clicks… it’s all the same and mostly quite insincere. The ones with Patreons are likely the more trustworthy since you know where their money is coming from.

I have a few channels I trust, but mostly figure if it comes from YouTube, if you don’t know the angle, they are probably just being sensational to drive clicks.
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