Tesla's First Dud: State of Charge x Kyle Conner (Out of spec) talks Cybertruck vs. Lightning & Rivian R1T

[Mattsplat]

1) Superchargers spaced 100 miles apart is all you need. Apartment dwellers excepted but the supercharger network is for long distance travel, charge at home for daily use. I never use the superchargers close to my house.
1a) I have used Electrify America and while it does function it will never be as good as the supercharger network.
2) True
3) Leaky = no good but the vault is much larger than a standard tonneau cover on other trucks. Rear view is solved with a camera.
4) See item 1, superchargers within 100 miles will suffice. Also, you'd be amazed at how ubiquitous plugs are, especially on overnight trips.
5) Stainless steel, steel, and aluminum are all different. The Cybertruck is the only one that is stainless steel. This is a big differentiator.
6) True
7) True
8) True

Sincerely,
A Certified Tesla Fanboy

For your response to 1 and 4.: What will "suffice" for you is not what will "suffice" for a lot of truck owners. I live in Utah; desert, dirtbiking and power sports country. When your dirtbiking grounds are 50 miles in the desert with large elevation change and you can't even tow 90 miles, that is an issue. Towing a trailer with camping gear up hundreds or even a couple thousand feet of elevation gain is going to be a huge issue. (you only get back a tiny fraction of what you lose going up steep hills when you re-gen going down.
You must be in California if you think superchargers being every hundred miles is an argument. People are getting less than 90 miles towing with CT. What happens when you tow that same load up into the mountains? 25 miles of towing range?
5. CT is only steel attached to aluminum. Not s steel exoskeleton. So the advantage is not being dented easily. But the innards are aluminum.
Your answer to 3 is just an excuse and doesn't keep my camping gear dry.
Also, what a massive fail with not just letting the rear window roll down allowing AC to cool and heat the bed for camping. Such an easy and obvious feature and a huge disappointment.

I appreciate a good argument and it helps me review my bias. You just making excuses for the drawbacks isn't helpful.

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[Gigahorse]

1) Superchargers spaced 100 miles apart is all you need.

Until you need to tow something and can only get 70-90 miles when towing.

 

[MountainRatMatt]

Until you need to tow something and can only get 70-90 miles when towing.

For people that tow a lot ICE still makes more sense than EV.

 

[Gigahorse]

For people that tow a lot ICE still makes more sense than EV.

Yea towing a lot an EV won't work, but with 70-90 miles of range ANY towing with the cybertruck will likely be impossible or very difficult

 

[Woodrick]

Careful with these rational takes… there are some on here that won’t like to hear that haha

Sure. But the likelihood of Tesla building something that looks like a standard pickup truck. Is, well, pretty much the same a Ford designing and producing something that looks like the Cybertruck.

Tesla is here to change the world, not replicate it.

 

[CyberTW]

Sure. But the likelihood of Tesla building something that looks like a standard pickup truck. Is, well, pretty much the same a Ford designing and producing something that looks like the Cybertruck.

Tesla is here to change the world, not replicate it.

Maybe you misinterpreted my comment or my reply to the poster. I read his post exactly like you just said.. Tesla could do something standard, but that ain’t them. The CT is is different and still has to get better.. but the amount of complaining is just silly

 

[jsongster]

I hope you are wrong about the timeline. At the current prices the pool of buyers will run out fast if the current pricing remains

What source do you have in asserting 20k loss per truck? I have heard estimates of 80k cost… which with Foundation Series feature pack they are likely making money already… with simplified assembly process It seems likely this is true.

 

[jsongster]

Seems the fact Kyle doesn't have a reservation for a CT and wouldn't get one for years if ordered today could also be a factor in his decision

I believe he already has one…

 

[kpanda17]

I believe he already has one…

yes he does, a beast, many youtube videos by him and his team

 

[jsongster]

He really did say that though at about 29 mins the question starts "(is CT Teslas first dud) and at bout 31 he says (I think objectively, yes. )

The dud comment wasn't about volume. It was about specs and performance and work

Kyle is entitled to his own opinion and even to be wrong. Opinions are like as…. Nevermind.

 

[Gurule92]

I believe he already has one…

To be fair he didn't have a res. But he used the skip the line option

 

[Trimotor]

 

[jsongster]

Zach and Jesse did a nice review of power outlets… make sure you watch the follow up as initially they admitted an incorrect conclusIon.

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