Towed a 10,400 pound generator today!

[HaulingAss]

If Chevy can do it with the Silverado I am sure the Tesla team can do it, just surprised that Chevy has the lead in range and towing for an EV, not to mention the 350kw charging

If they were going to sell more Silverado's with big batteries than Tesla sells with 123 kWh batteries, only then could you say they are in the lead. Tesla didn't put a bigger battery in for cost and weight reasons, it would ruin many of the best qualities of the truck and require different, less efficient tires, while pushing the price into unsustainable territory.

GM is simply demonstrating a party trick with the big battery in the Silverado because they can't sell them at scale for a profit. Not even at break-even. Elon will never let a vehicle enter production that he doesn't think can be sold profitably, that's just how he rolls. GM is living on another planet, trying to pull the wool over people's eyes to make them think they are leading. But it's a show truck, not a real world truck that can be sold in high volumes, it will be manufactured and sold in very low quantities, at a big loss on everyone they make. GM wants to fool you, don't let them.

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[Crissa]

Assuming they can get one. They're out there, but not easy to get to right now.

Of course, you also need to want a full size truck footprint with a smaller bed.

If they were going to sell more Silverado's with big batteries than Tesla sells with 123 kWh batteries, only then could you say they are in the lead. Tesla didn't put a bigger battery in for cost and weight reasons, it would ruin many of the best qualities of the truck and require different, less efficient tires, while pushing the price into unsustainable territory.

I still think they should design around it. People who two with trucks have lots of stupid money. But it's like the Semi: They can build it, but it will have drawbacks and a price tag.

I think they should, if only to make the complainers put up or shut up.

-Crissa

 

[Startreknerd]

139 mile range is rather low.

 

[Startreknerd]

Under 100 miles when towing, that is tough for a work truck.

139 miles

 

[FutureTruck]

139 maybe if towing a light load and taking the battery from 100 percent to needing a tow. Viable range unless you have one of those diesel mobile charging stations is 100

 

[Kuiper__Belt]

It is might be a proxy for comparing different locations and potential amount of commercial activity.

In a large area, lower population probably means fewer businesses, fewer trucks.

Trying to estimate what % of 150/1500/250/2500 class pickup trucks tow 100 miles or less round trip.

Ford, GM, RAM, Tesla, Toyota, Nissan know the answer. Any billion $ company or $ billionaire person can easily get a very good estimate in a couple of days by hiring any one of the hundreds of research companies that charge $10s-100s thousand for the answer.

Us regular people have to guess using free public information.

Higher population density probably means more business activity but each business truck needs to travel fewer miles to serve same number of customers.

Some states much geographically smaller than Oregon have many more trucks.
Illinois
Florida
North Carolina
New York
Pennsylvania
Tennessee
Ohio
Virginia
Indiana
Wisconsin

State of Maryland is about 1 tenth size of Oregon but Maryland has more trucks. Probably very few business pickup trucks in Maryland need to make time expensive (6 hour travel) & cost expensive 400mi round-trip to customer. There will be competitors a lot closer to most long distance customers.

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Private and commercial truck registrations in the U.S. in 2021, by state
Dec 19, 2023
Published by Statista Research Department
https://www.statista.com/statistics...ate-and-commercial-trucks-in-the-us-by-state/

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List of U.S. states and territories by area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area

Land area ​	​	State / territory ​
Square miles​	​
570,641​	​	Alaska​
261,232​	​	Texas​
155,779​	​	California​
145,546​	​	Montana​
121,298​	​	New Mexico​
113,594​	​	Arizona​
109,781​	​	Nevada​
103,642​	​	Colorado​
97,093​	​	Wyoming​
95,988​	​	Oregon​
82,643​	​	Idaho​
82,170​	​	Utah​
81,759​	​	Kansas​
79,627​	​	Minnesota​
76,824​	​	Nebraska​
75,811​	​	South Dakota​
69,001​	​	North Dakota​
68,742​	​	Missouri​
68,595​	​	Oklahoma​
66,456​	​	Washington​
57,513​	​	Georgia​
56,539​	​	Michigan​
55,857​	​	Iowa​
55,519​	​	Illinois​
54,158​	​	Wisconsin​
53,625​	​	Florida​
52,035​	​	Arkansas​
50,645​	​	Alabama​
48,618​	​	North Carolina​
47,126​	​	New York​
46,923​	​	Mississippi​
44,743​	​	Pennsylvania​
43,204​	​	Louisiana​
41,235​	​	Tennessee​
40,861​	​	Ohio​
39,490​	​	Virginia​
39,486​	​	Kentucky​
35,826​	​	Indiana​
30,843​	​	Maine​
30,061​	​	South Carolina​
24,038​	​	West Virginia​
9,707​	​	Maryland​
9,217​	​	Vermont​
8,953​	​	New Hampshire​
7,800​	​	Massachusetts​
7,354​	​	New Jersey​
6,423​	​	Hawaii​
4,842​	​	Connecticut​
3,424​	​	Puerto Rico​
1,949​	​	Delaware​
1,034​	​	Rhode Island​
210​	​	Guam​
182​	​	Northern Mariana Islands​
134​	​	U.S. Virgin Islands​
76​	​	American Samoa​
61​	​	District of Columbia​
​	​	​

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California to about New Jersey has more trucks than there are people living in Mississippi?? however I bet Mississippi has most all of those beat if you look at it per capita! With the exceptions being Texas & Alabama ?

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