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It’s not meant to compete with heavy duty trucks. But it’s says 2500lbs
But originally they claimed 3500. That’s heavy duty for sure.
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Dual motor has always been their priority because it has always been the most interesting one. They will never meet demand in years because being so fast, bulletproof and with a perfect range for 90% of population, the other variants were never their top selling options. It's a no-brainer choice for every police station in the world (as much as any criminal, btw). Maybe most of those who buy trucks for work will stick to diesel ones. But the amount of people that buy huge truck without ever touching a working tool in their lives is gigantic anyway. Price obviously went up (what the FED did was because an extremely high inflation, do you remember?) but I have been happily surprised by the extra 40 miles in the dual motor version (and this version can even use the extra battery pack for a total price almost identical to Rivian). Sorry for those who expected something different, but for me this is the best truck ever
 

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An interesting observation, not that it is an exact reflection. I price billions of dollars in construction every year. All of it. From soil improvements to $1M in solar on the roof. Numbers in general are up at least 30% from 2020. Technical trades like MEPs are up at least 50% in general. If the CT is up 60%, I dont think its necessarily justified, but equipment and material cost have disproportionately increased compared to the general "inflation" numbers across the economy. Basically that is to say the the stuff Tesla is buying lots of has probably increased 2x what the eggs and lumber and other consumable items have. So its not necessarily fair to look at the general economy and say prices are up 30% so why did the CT increase so much. The stuff the CT is made of and what takes to make it in general has increased more than the average in my opinion. And Tesla built the factory in the middle of the worst part of the increases. We were literally scouring the country for materials in 2021 and seeing pricing double in some trades in a matter of 6 months during that time. Tesla was not immune to that. And they pressed through and still built the factory when a lot of others put projects on hold.

So yes, the current numbers suck. I am a day one reservation holder and i have actually been waiting 4 years to purchase an EV truck. I am driving a 2005 ford truck and am keeping it alive while I wait for the CT. I really do believe the numbers will come down next year and that maybe 100k people will buy at $80k but eventually that supply and demand curve will have to bring down pricing and their ramp in production will allow them to do that.
 

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Dual motor has always been their priority because it has always been the most interesting one. They will never meet demand in years because being so fast, bulletproof and with a perfect range for 90% of population, the other variants were never their top selling options. It's a no-brainer choice for every police station in the world (as much as any criminal, btw). Maybe most of those who buy trucks for work will stick to diesel ones. But the amount of people that buy huge truck without ever touching a working tool in their lives is gigantic anyway. Price obviously went up (what the FED did was because an extremely high inflation, do you remember?) but I have been happily surprised by the extra 40 miles in the dual motor version (and this version can even use the extra battery pack for a total price almost identical to Rivian). Sorry for those who expected something different, but for me this is the best truck ever
I posted this earlier and I really don't see why anyone would buy the beast mode version to get from 3.9 seconds to 2.6 seconds. I get that some idiots out there will buy this without any real need for a truck and just want it for its coolness and really think they need to shave off that .9 seconds. I am almost certain I have never done better than 6 seconds and I wouldn't even know the difference in anything under 4 seconds. So are people really going to buy the tri motor for $20k more just to get .9 seconds. They actually lose range. For $20k more. The other specs are the same. Can someone help me understand how that .9 seconds could possibly be worth that?
 

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Not totally surprised but $30K increase for dual motor? I am out.

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I agree with you. This is just disappointing in so many ways.

Like most, I think, we reserved this truck for many reasons. The looks, estimated price, promised specs, etc.

It seems that most of that has changed and not for the better. Specifically, the price is out for me. That type of increase for less of a truck ( rear wheel) is just not what was introduced. I can not imagine how you can justify that much of an increase for “the basic” model.

it just outprices the hard working middle class person who would like to try something different, and has saved to own a “Tesla” who now has a truck.-like me. I, personally, placed my order as quick as I could in 2019 due to all the promises. I held that same order despite reading constant predictions of increased prices, and other criticisms. I have been saving along the way. Well I guess they were right.

I’ll hold on for a little while longer, with the hopes that the mass speak out enough for Tesla to listen. Maybe that will force some change. I think Tesla needs to eat a piece of humble pie. I’m not holding my breath. I’m morethan likely going to cancel. I’m extremely disappointed with Tesla right now….
 


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I agree with you. This is just disappointing in so many ways.

Like most, I think, we reserved this truck for many reasons. The looks, estimated price, promised specs, etc.

It seems that most of that has changed and not for the better. Specifically, the price is out for me. That type of increase for less of a truck ( rear wheel) is just not what was introduced. I can not imagine how you can justify that much of an increase for “the basic” model.

it just outprices the hard working middle class person who would like to try something different, and has saved to own a “Tesla” who now has a truck.-like me. I, personally, placed my order as quick as I could in 2019 due to all the promises. I held that same order despite reading constant predictions of increased prices, and other criticisms. I have been saving along the way. Well I guess they were right.

I’ll hold on for a little while longer, with the hopes that the mass speak out enough for Tesla to listen. Maybe that will force some change. I think Tesla needs to eat a piece of humble pie. I’m not holding my breath. I’m morethan likely going to cancel. I’m extremely disappointed with Tesla right now….
I am guessing/hoping this is an early adopters fee. Maybe the price will drop as manufacturing ramps, like it did with the MS Plaid. I'm still in on my #5000 reservation, but i am considerably less excited than was before. I would not mind my dual motor selling new for 20k less in two years..

And there's still the Model 2 to be excited about, although this was my first rodeo, and i will be much more pessimistic for the next :(
 

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I felt the need to say something even though I had only enough time to skim through content...

Tesla is not increasing prices based on inflation but for market pressure. Good for them. That money should go to the creators.

The cybertruck specs have changed significantly but I think it's still a great product, but I have been priced out of my specs. Interest rates have increased the cost of financing by about $4k, dual motor increased by $30k. Even if CT qualifies for full tax credit $27k increase in price is more than 50% higher than original advertised sale price. That's not inflation. That's either demand driven or Tesla just realized they couldn't make the thing as efficiently as dreamed.

For those who can shrug off this price increase congratulations! I'm happy for you. However, I predict mainstream media and public sentiment will likely use this as further proof that "EVs are not as good as ICE cars." EVs in the US will still have the yuppy appeal tagged to them and people who can't afford them will make up excuses why they are terrible to ease their hurt ego. My thoughts are, well, I guess it's just not for me...

...yet.

I also expect prices to soften with market demand. Eventually. Spitballing here...
-About 90 million households in US
-Top 30% considered "rich"
-30 million have means to buy a CT
-about 12 million total trucks sold annually
-Elon said they will make 250k annually
So... divide by the numerator... carry the one... good news! I calculated I will be able to afford a CT in 2049! Unfortunately, on a separate forum I calculated the rapture will occur in 2048 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If you see an empty CT driving itself then you know it's happened ? /s/s
(if you can't tell I'm hiding a joke in there - that means I'm not being serious - that means you just wasted another 20 seconds of your life reading yet another CT post on this forum)

Are you still here?

This post is over now.

Go home.

Go.


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If I had to guess, I'd speculate that the single biggest thing that dictated both the massive schedule slip of the CT, as well as the pricing that we saw announced yesterday, was the challenged ramp of 4680 production.

4680's today, even with the benefit of two additional years of development (from when Tesla originally expected to be putting them in production CT's), don't appear to have either the energy density or the cost profile that Tesla expected in late 2019.

At some point during that long CT development delay, with the 4680 ramp not going well, Tesla had to decide whether to move forward with those not-nearly-as-good-as-we-expected 4680's, or delay the CT even longer.

The 1.3M pre-order list probably means that Tesla is fine with respect to demand for a relatively brief period of time, while they ramp production. Maybe a couple years? Maybe three?

But at today's price points, I think going-forward demand will remain persistently soft. I wouldn't be surprised if Elon's hope is that by the time that inflection point arrives - hardcore customers from the wait list willing to pay the introductory pricing have been exhausted - the 4680 energy density and production costs that they anticipated in 2019 will have finally been realized.

Watching what happens in the 4680 world is likely our best clue to where the CT is headed.
 
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Prices are very close to where I predicted.

Those people that thought it would be cheaper, sorry, you let hope cloud logic.

$79,990 for a 340 mile range version is going to be the top seller, and that price and range compares favorably to a Lightning and a Rivian. Not sure why Tesla foiboys thought Tesla could bend physics and have tons more range, for less money.

Now I want for that email that it is time to finalize my order!
 


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If I had to guess, I'd speculate that the single biggest thing that dictated both the massive schedule slip of the CT, as well as the pricing that we saw announced yesterday, was the challenged ramp of 4680 production.

4680's today, even with the benefit of two additional years of development (from when Tesla originally expected to be putting them in production CT's), don't appear to have either the energy density or the cost profile that Tesla expected in late 2019.

At some point during that long CT development delay, with the 4680 ramp not going well, Tesla had to decide whether to move forward with those not-nearly-as-good-as-we-expected 4680's, or delay the CT even longer.

The 1.3M pre-order list probably means that Tesla is fine with respect to demand for a relatively brief period of time, while they ramp production. Maybe a couple years? Maybe three?

But at today's price points, I think going-forward demand will remain persistently soft. I wouldn't be surprised if Elon's hope is that by the time that inflection point arrives - hardcore customers from the wait list willing to pay the introductory pricing have been exhausted - the 4680 energy density and production costs that they anticipated in 2019 have finally been realized.

Watching what happens in the 4680 world is likely our best clue to where the CT is headed.
If you are a Tesla can do no wrong person you will offer excuses for the 4680 challenges.

Fact is, the 4680 development just has not panned out. It didn't go as planned. It has taken longer, and battery efficiency has not yet hit targets.

Not to say they can't keep tweaking it over time...next 2-3 years....and improve the efficiency. But massive range gains? Probably not.
 

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There is no way his costs went up 60% over the 2 year extension - if anything the efficiencies gained over that time would have compensated for the inflation. He pitched a product to us that all of us would have been able to recommend to our friends and family. I make a quarter million a year and what he released is something that I can't even recommend for myself anymore, and I've been a fanboy for years now. This is a massive fail and bait and switch.
Yes I have similar feelings. I promised myself I would never again spend over 100k for another vehicle.
Not a chance. It's a $16,000 option that Tesla installs permanently.
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