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Summary:
46 degree temperature
70 mph
Run until battery completely empty consuming ~122 kWh
Covered 254 miles at ~2.05 m/kWh efficiency

I kinda figured it would not be anywhere near the claimed 318 Miles. So, at 254 miles of max range, that's about 178 miles of usable range if you set to charge to 80% and then try not to run it down lower than 10%. Wonder how much worse the Cyberbeast will do?
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I kinda figured it would not be anywhere near the claimed 318 Miles. So, at 254 Miles of max range, running till you need to call a tow truck,, that's realistically about 178 miles of range if you set to charge to 80% and run it down to 10%. Wonder how much worse the Cyberbeast will do?
Oh wait! This is NOT a Beast??!?
 

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Dual or tri-motor?

Climate control settings?

Number of passengers, amount of cargo?

This kind of info is needed to understand the numbers further.

About what I expected though. It's a very heavy vehicle and Tesla ALWAYS over-states range by leveraging their understanding of EPA test.
Tesla does not "over-state range", it's just your misunderstanding of what EPA range represents. The EPA ranges are derived from controlled testing under very specific conditions. All manufacturers have the same rules to follow.

If a manufacturer lacks engineers with an understanding of EPA test protocols, I would run, not walk, away from all their products. It ain't rocket science.

People say the darndest things!
 

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286 miles for same run to empty test on a Model Y long range

Out of Spec Model y LR test
Hardly comparable as the Model Y run was made on a 74-degree F day with zero wind.

I'm laughing my ass off at the people trying to present this 70-mph range test as some kind of surprise. I've been saying for years the Cybertruck will be more impacted by freeway speeds than the rest of the Tesla fleet that all have lower Cd's. Simple physics.
 

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Whoa. Let's not start calling people "liars." I am assuming you are saying that the Rivian data is inaccurate? It is true that this Ri

The Rivian on 20" AT Tires had an EPA Rated range of 289 https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=46312&#tab1

70 mph Range Test yeilded 289 miles https://insideevs.com/news/574637/rivian-r1t-70mph-range-test/
Look, you can say I called you a liar, whatever. What I said is that it's a lie that the Rivian could complete the same test under the same conditions and return EPA combined ratings. That's simply fantasyland to anyone who knows anything. Yes, you are spreading a false narrative, otherwise known as a lie.

People come here to learn more accurate information, not to get decieved by people pushing the fantasy that a Rivian will return its EPA combined rating under these same conditions.

Duh!
 

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Tesla does not "over-state range", it's just your misunderstanding of what EPA range represents. The EPA ranges are derived from controlled testing under very specific conditions. All manufacturers have the same rules to follow.

If a manufacturer lacks engineers with an understanding of EPA test protocols, I would run, not walk, away from all their products. It ain't rocket science.

People say the darndest things!
Tesla uses a legal but extremely optimistic approach to its correction factor that boosts its EPA range above what other manufacturers do. As a result, you will see, for example that a Model Y has 330 miles EPA range vs a Mach-E 310 miles. In WLTP testing, however, where both vehicles are tested under the same (optimistic) conditions, Mach-E gets 373 miles and Model Y gets 331 miles. The reason Tesla performs better than Ford on the US test but worse than Ford on the EU test is down to the more optimistic approach to their correction factor.

Good article here: https://www.caranddriver.com/featur...-factor-tesla-uses-for-big-epa-range-numbers/
 


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Look, you can say I called you a liar, whatever. What I said is that it's a lie that the Rivian could complete the same test under the same conditions and return EPA combined ratings. That's simply fantasyland to anyone who knows anything. Yes, you are spreading a false narrative, otherwise known as a lie.

People come here to learn more accurate information, not to get decieved by people pushing the fantasy that a Rivian will return its EPA combined rating under these same conditions.

Duh!
I accept your apology.
 

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Whoa. Let's not start calling people "liars." I am assuming you are saying that the Rivian data is inaccurate? It is true that this Ri

The Rivian on 20" AT Tires had an EPA Rated range of 289 https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=46312&#tab1

70 mph Range Test yeilded 289 miles https://insideevs.com/news/574637/rivian-r1t-70mph-range-test/
Might be a lot better with different tires? Seems like the tires it comes with would zap some range off, right? Looks like the type of tires made a pretty big difference with the above Rivian 70 MPG range test....
 

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Tesla does not "over-state range", it's just your misunderstanding of what EPA range represents. The EPA ranges are derived from controlled testing under very specific conditions. All manufacturers have the same rules to follow.

If a manufacturer lacks engineers with an understanding of EPA test protocols, I would run, not walk, away from all their products. It ain't rocket science.

People say the darndest things!
It would be much more helpful if Tesla provided the EPA range estimate as well as a more real world estimate (could also just be labeled cold/hard range) since many lay people assume that they will get the full EPA range, when they won't.

The euro cycle test seems to provide range numbers that are a lot more realistic.

My personal opinion is that EPA range test in the US is designed to make EVs look better than they are in real world driving to push faster adoption by consumers.

However, I'm already on my 2nd Tesla so I've just learned to live with it.

Realistically the sweet spot is going to be when an EV truck like the CT can deliver 500 miles of claimed EPA range on a full charge because that means that in the 2nd or 3rd year of owning the vehicle, the owner can actually get a couple of hundred highway miles when towing a trailer.... or for the many truck owners who do regularly take their trucks longer distances and don't want to be hassled with stopping for an hour long charging session, if that's even an option.

Charging once every three hours won't be a big deal for some people but it will be a very big deal for others.
 

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Might be a lot better with different tires? Seems like the tires it comes with would zap some range off, right? Looks like the type of tires made a pretty big difference with the above Rivian 70 MPG range test....
Of course, that's another added aftermarket expense. Between installing PPF, new rims and tires for better range, etc..... it's getting more expensive.....
 

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Tesla uses a legal but extremely optimistic approach to its correction factor that boosts its EPA range above what other manufacturers do. As a result, you will see, for example that a Model Y has 330 miles EPA range vs a Mach-E 310 miles. In WLTP testing, however, where both vehicles are tested under the same (optimistic) conditions, Mach-E gets 373 miles and Model Y gets 331 miles. The reason Tesla performs better than Ford on the US test but worse than Ford on the EU test is down to the more optimistic approach to their correction factor.
What's false about this narrative that you and others are pushing is the assumption that other manufacturers don't try to get the best EPA numbers they can muster under the same rules. The fact is, the 5-cycle test option is available to all manufacturers, but it doesn't always return a better result - it depends upon each vehicle.

Manufacturers who plan to produce in volume will use whatever option gives them the highest numbers. Rivian uses the 5 cycle test option for most of their configurations too. Porsche worked hard to get their Taycan EPA numbers higher, but further testing yeilded worse results. The narritive that Tesla does things in a misleading manner is simply false. It's natural for all manufacturers to put their best foot forward when it comes to EPA numbers unless production volume is so low that it's not worth the extra testing expense to do so.
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