Have you gotten a speeding ticket in FSD?

[hemiarch]

I was driving through an intersection in FSD today that I know has a speed camera and caught what looked like a camera flash out of the corner of my eye. Not sure if it was for me or the car next to me so I’ll have to see what comes in the mail, but I got to thinking, the truck does speed a fair amount.
Especially in dick mode (hurry) and stoner mode (standard). Less so in drivers ed mode (chill).
Have any of you gotten a ticket by using fsd? Would you share your story? I realize there are also a fair number of legal beagles on here, does this have any legal ramifications?

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[SCTesla]

I got a ticket for going 9 over with FSD in my CT. Not sure what you mean by legal ramifications. You're still technically driving with FSD. You can still get a DUI, still responsible for accidents, and speeding.

 

[jamescstein]

Not to mention you can tell FSD not to speed.
I just wish FSD would recognise school zones. My city hasn’t started installing speed cameras in schools zones. So far I’ve remembered to adjust my max speed down manually but I know I’ll forget one of these days and 15 mph over the speed limit in a school zone won’t be cheap ticket.

 

[CTruckFan]

I don't remember the terminology, but there is a setting in FSD for a % allowed above speed limit. 40% is the recommended setting. I presume this is to allow the FSD to "speed" to avoid something bad, but I was on a 45 mph road with no other traffic and my CT steadily accelerated to 52 mph before I cancelled it because I did not want to get a ticket. This road is known to be monitored for speeding (it's on a military base). 40% of 45 mph is 18 mph, meaning the FSD could have accelerated to 63 mph and been within the tolerance, and well into ticket territory! The "supervised" admonishment is there for a reason.

 

[hemiarch]

I got a ticket for going 9 over with FSD in my CT. Not sure what you mean by legal ramifications. You're still technically driving with FSD. You can still get a DUI, still responsible for accidents, and speeding.

I absolutely agree with that but eventually someone will try to make the argument that they were using this technology and it somehow malfunctioned no?

 

[Greyfish]

I don't remember the terminology, but there is a setting in FSD for a % allowed above speed limit. 40% is the recommended setting. I presume this is to allow the FSD to "speed" to avoid something bad, but I was on a 45 mph road with no other traffic and my CT steadily accelerated to 52 mph before I cancelled it because I did not want to get a ticket. This road is known to be monitored for speeding (it's on a military base). 40% of 45 mph is 18 mph, meaning the FSD could have accelerated to 63 mph and been within the tolerance, and well into ticket territory! The "supervised" admonishment is there for a reason.

But it doesn't work! I've got mine set to 10% over (both in a CT and S) and it constantly sets the top speed to 75 whenever it sees a 55 MPH sign (on the highway). I've tried all kinds of setting changes and nothing seems to help (I'm in Chill mode as well).

 

[hemiarch]

Not to mention you can tell FSD not to speed.
I just wish FSD would recognise school zones. My city hasn’t started installing speed cameras in schools zones. So far I’ve remembered to adjust my max speed down manually but I know I’ll forget one of these days and 15 mph over the speed limit in a school zone won’t be cheap ticket.

My FSD has recently gotten better about allowing me to adjust top speed with the right scroll wheel but there are still certain situations when it doesn’t allow that and as mentioned above the percentage doesn’t seem to cap Optimus at legal limits ever.
How about a checkbox that says “obey the law” as an option?

 

[hemiarch]

Do any of you use “absolute” and not “relative” speed limit?

 

[Bobo_LaDouche]

Do any of you use “absolute” and not “relative” speed limit?

Absolute disappeared a while ago for FSD. It still works for the Cruise Control.

Not a fan of % at all. In general I find the velocity control of both FSD and Cruise Control to be annoying; and dangerous in the case of FSD.

 

[jamescstein]

Do any of you use “absolute” and not “relative” speed limit?

I have mine is set to relative but the offset set to 0mph.

Since the majority of my driving is in the city, I prefer the truck to not speed. Set that way unless I manually adjust the max speed it won't exceed the speed limit. If the speed limit changes and FSD notices it will slow down. It just doesn't notice active school zones.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

I’ve been pulled over for suspected DUI twice while using FSD. The last time, three weeks ago, was due to the truck driving in the red “X” lane approaching the Chesapeake Bay bridge on Rt. 50 eastbound. The CT cannot read the green and red overhead lights that indicate when the toll administration switches the lanes from east to westbound. I tried to get the truck into the correct lane using the turn signal switch - which eventually worked but not until the truck passed the second red “X” due to another vehicle being in the lane we needed to merge into. As soon as it got into the correct lane the truck attempted to re-enter the red “X” lane again, so I over-rode it again with the turn signal. This looked like weaving and the police flashers came on immediately. I had not been drinking, but my wife had most of a wine bottle at the restaurant we had just left. The officer said he smelled alcohol on my breath, and refused to acknowledge it was my wife, so I had to walk the line, watch the moving pen, etc by the side of the road. I almost offered to take a breathalyzer exam, but passed the initial screening, so was let off with a warning for the errant FSD action in the variable lane.

This is another example of an edge case that will take a lot of work on Tesla’s part to make work in FSD. Google Maps cannot figure out what to do with these lanes either. The way it works is that there are two bridges at the same spot going across the bay. There are two lanes on the southern span, and three lanes on the northern span. All lanes have overhead signage with the ability to show red, yellow or green status for using the lane. Twice per day the traffic direction on one of the lanes on the three-lane (northern) bridge is set to the opposite direction, providing three traffic lanes eastbound, using both southern span lanes and ONE of the three lanes on the northern span. This is to accommodate either commuter traffic (home-bound toward Kent Island in the evening), or on weekends, beach bound traffic going east on Friday, an d vice-versa on Sunday.

Google maps cannot handle it when I’m on the northern span going eastbound on the one lane that’s temporarily set to go eastbound, because it thinks the northern span is always westbound on all three lanes. It constantly puts up a warning to get back on the road, with a directional arrow, even though I AM on the road, just not the one it prefers! Until google maps figures out what to do with this, I’m not sure what Tesla can do about it.

There are many other places in the U.S. where high-speed lanes on highways switch directions multiple times daily. There are visual cues for drivers that allow us to see where we can safely go - but the methods vary by locale - there is no standard for this. For example, the bridge span in San Diego to/from Coronado Island has reversing lanes every day, but uses a system that physically moves the concrete jersey wall barriers back and forth across the bridge to widen one side or the other. It’s this kind of stuff that makes FSD REALLY hard.

Here are a couple of pics illustrating the dilemma for mapping systems.

Westbound Rt. 50 at Chesapeake Bay Bridge (Kent Island side):

Eastbound Rt. 50 at Chesapeake Bay bridge (Annapolis side)

San Diego’s Coronado Island bridge:

 

[hemiarch]

I’ve been pulled over for suspected DUI twice while using FSD. The last time, three weeks ago, was due to the truck driving in the red “X” lane approaching the Chesapeake Bay bridge on Rt. 50 eastbound. The CT cannot read the green and red overhead lights that indicate when the toll administration switches the lanes from east to westbound. I tried to get the truck into the correct lane using the turn signal switch - which eventually worked but not until the truck passed the second red “X” due to another vehicle being in the lane we needed to merge into. As soon as it got into the correct lane the truck attempted to re-enter the red “X” lane again, so I over-rode it again with the turn signal. This looked like weaving and the police flashers came on immediately. I had not been drinking, but my wife had most of a wine bottle at the restaurant we had just left. The officer said he smelled alcohol on my breath, and refused to acknowledge it was my wife, so I had to walk the line, watch the moving pen, etc by the side of the road. I almost offered to take a breathalyzer exam, but passed the initial screening, so was let off with a warning for the errant FSD action in the variable lane.

This is another example of an edge case that will take a lot of work on Tesla’s part to make work in FSD. Google Maps cannot figure out what to do with these lanes either. The way it works is that there are two bridges at the same spot going across the bay. There are two lanes on the southern span, and three lanes on the northern span. All lanes have overhead signage with the ability to show red, yellow or green status for using the lane. Twice per day the traffic direction on one of the lanes on the three-lane (northern) bridge is set to the opposite direction, providing three traffic lanes eastbound, using both southern span lanes and ONE of the three lanes on the northern span. This is to accommodate either commuter traffic (home-bound toward Kent Island in the evening), or on weekends, beach bound traffic going east on Friday, an d vice-versa on Sunday.

Google maps cannot handle it when I’m on the northern span going eastbound on the one lane that’s temporarily set to go eastbound, because it thinks the northern span is always westbound on all three lanes. It constantly puts up a warning to get back on the road, with a directional arrow, even though I AM on the road, just not the one it prefers! Until google maps figures out what to do with this, I’m not sure what Tesla can do about it.

There are many other places in the U.S. where high-speed lanes on highways switch directions multiple times daily. There are visual cues for drivers that allow us to see where we can safely go - but the methods vary by locale - there is no standard for this. For example, the bridge span in San Diego to/from Coronado Island has reversing lanes every day, but uses a system that physically moves the concrete jersey wall barriers back and forth across the bridge to widen one side or the other. It’s this kind of stuff that makes FSD REALLY hard.

Here are a couple of pics illustrating the dilemma for mapping systems.

Westbound Rt. 50 at Chesapeake Bay Bridge (Kent Island side):

Eastbound Rt. 50 at Chesapeake Bay bridge (Annapolis side)

San Diego’s Coronado Island bridge:

That’s bonkers. Thanks for sharing that. I know cops are just doing their job and trying to keep people safe but damn…glad you passed that field sobriety test and were not so rattled it became complicated.

 

[hemiarch]

I have mine is set to relative but the offset set to 0mph.

Since the majority of my driving is in the city, I prefer the truck to not speed. Set that way unless I manually adjust the max speed it won't exceed the speed limit. If the speed limit changes and FSD notices it will slow down. It just doesn't notice active school zones.

So, your truck never speeds set like this?

 

[jamescstein]

So, your truck never speeds set like this?

It will occasionally be slow to respond to the speed limit going down. But I don’t think I’ve seen it exceed the speed limit when it goes up. I also tend to drive in chill or standard mode in town to stop it from moving into the left lane all the time.

 

[dalton108]

I was driving through an intersection in FSD today that I know has a speed camera and caught what looked like a camera flash out of the corner of my eye. Not sure if it was for me or the car next to me so I’ll have to see what comes in the mail, but I got to thinking, the truck does speed a fair amount.
Especially in dick mode (hurry) and stoner mode (standard). Less so in drivers ed mode (chill).
Have any of you gotten a ticket by using fsd? Would you share your story? I realize there are also a fair number of legal beagles on here, does this have any legal ramifications?

I got one coming home from camping on Monday Memorial Day. I’ll have a lot to say about it, but I’m not too happy and it’s because of something that I didn’t even realize FSD was doing until my longer trip from yesterday.

I’ll get it reduced to a parking ticket (or rather one of my young associates will) but it’s definitely BS. Even with my lead foot I haven’t had a speeding ticket in well over a decade and I wasn’t even driving this time.

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