FSD 14 now rolling out to employees

[txtravwill]

Two questions:

1) Have you used FSD on a hardware 4 vehicle that is NOT a Cybertruck?
2) Have you been actively following the progress of FSD over a 4-5 year period?

One additional point:

FSD is quite fault tolerant of camera hardware/wheel alignment variations from one vehicle to the next. It adapts quite a bit, and this means that some cars drive better than others. As it becomes autonomous, I expect Tesla to make the tolerances in tire and camera alignment stricter, so vehicles have more consistent performance from car to car.

Sheesh, yes. I use it now on a new S and CT. It makes mostly the similar mistakes in our area, and the CT behaves worse on lane holding. Even the S can't make a legal right turn off highway 281 into Mormon mills road. I enjoy the CT more for daily driving as I carry a lot around. We've had 7 Teslas since 2013 and these are our 2nd and 3rd with FSD since it initially rolled out.

Your experience may vary, and seems to a lot by location. It's good but not great by far here.

It does do surprising well in rain on a freeway, as it takes pretty heavy rain for the take control message to pop up. It would need to pull over hopefully before it has full failure to our would think.

As stated before also, both our cars fail just driving home down a regular dark road here with no street lights. It thinks both side cameras are obscured when it's actually just dark out.

Lots of ways to go and just cameras may never cut it off everywhere.

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[HaulingAss]

The functional word was “there”. I am assuming that the responder meant “there” to mean they can fall asleep in the back and always arrive at their destination alive and with no accidents. In that context maybe it will be more than a year but surely less than 10.

That depends upon your locale, it will get approved in some areas before others. It also depends upon your ability to sleep in a car. I can't even sleep, nor would I want to, while another skilled human is driving.

Once FSD is approved (unsupervised), I will still supervise it, just like I do whenever I'm in the passenger seat and someone else is driving.

 

[jahansolu]

Sheesh, yes. I use it now on a new S and CT. It makes mostly the similar mistakes in our area, and the CT behaves worse on lane holding. Even the S can't make a legal right turn off highway 281 into Mormon mills road. I enjoy the CT more for daily driving as I carry a lot around. We've had 7 Teslas since 2013 and these are our 2nd and 3rd with FSD since it initially rolled out.

Your experience may vary, and seems to a lot by location. It's good but not great by far here.

It does do surprising well in rain on a freeway, as it takes pretty heavy rain for the take control message to pop up. It would need to pull over hopefully before it has full failure to our would think.

As stated before also, both our cars fail just driving home down a regular dark road here with no street lights. It thinks both side cameras are obscured when it's actually just dark out.

Lots of ways to go and just cameras may never cut it off everywhere.

Is this HW3 or HW4 (for Model S)?

 

[txtravwill]

Is this HW3 or HW4 (for Model S)?

4, it's a 2023 summer.

Either way we can all agree FSD is an awesome driving aid. Just not something you can trust your life with certainly without good supervision.

 

[HaulingAss]

Don't get me wrong I won't trade CT FSD for "Blue Cruise" but it certainly feels a LONG way away from the CT allowing me to take a nap or pick the kids of from soccer practice. With the other Tesla models being a ways off, but closer.

I think your comments demonstrate that you don't understand how the technology works, and the amount of hard work that goes on behind the curtain. It takes time and a lot of work by very dedicated people to adapt FSD to a vehicle as different as the Cybertruck. Most relevant here, they needed data, lots of it.

It's completely unsurprising that Tesla didn't freeze all other FSD development efforts to focus on the first 10,000 Cybertrucks to come off the line when it would be much easier to wait for an appropriate amount of data to become readily available.

From the sounds I'm hearing, version 14 will bring FSD on Cybertruck up to and beyond the capabilities we currently experience on other Hardware 4 Tesla models.

It's OK to have high standards, but patience is necessary.

 

[HaulingAss]

I’m fairly confident in saying that neither our cars nor official company robotaxis will ever drive unattended. I use absolutes like “ever”, “never”, “always” rarely and under advisement.

Sure, but you have had zero, and I mean zero, credibility with me long before you made that ridiculous statement.

I can't put my finger on the username but you remind me of more than one COC forum member who lost their posting privileges long ago. You have the words of a Tesla short-seller.

 

[Gigahorse]

Correct. The “flagship” positioning is really problematic, IMO.

I was viewing a thread on Reddit today and someone was talking about how impressed they were with their 2026 MX because it had matrix headlights. People were quick to remind them that every S & X since the 2023 refresh has had matrix headlights installed and they were enabled by the 2025.14 firmware update.

That’s before the Cybertruck came out and while THAT is disappointing, what those people don’t know and I (and a few other others) do is that the 2021[!] M3P was the first Tesla in the US to have matrix headlights I got mine in Dec. 2020! It also got adaptive headlights on the 2025.14. Something we don’t, and will never have on our CTs.

That the “flagship” vehicle doesn’t have tech that was on a car I bought FIVE YEARS AGO— from the same manufacturer, makes no fucking sense!!!

So, it chaps my hide a little bit when people talk about the way that Tesla rolls out new features and how big of a benefit is because they don’t wait for “model years” when they do stuff like this. Sure, if they actually did it consistently.

It’s just baffling. There’s absolutely no excuse or reason that they couldn’t have in the last five years figured out how to put matrix headlights in the lights that they decided to design for the CT. For them to say we just didn’t have the room is an unacceptable excuse. Making them what 5% bigger and giving them the latest tech should have been a trivial matter. What the hell?!

I’ll put it different, when I took possession my ‘21 MP3 in December 2020 it had the most advanced tech of any Tesla (by far). Surely, the CT should’ve been in the same position as that car on launch day. It wasn’t!

/end rant

Matrix Headlights
Functional Ventilated Seats
Digital Rear-view Mirror
Waterproof Vault
Midgate
FSD Not significantly behind the rest of the Tesla fleet

All things that the flagship or at least latest Tesla should have had.

Steer by wire, 4 wheel steering, all great, but cmon those others were easy makes.

 

[Gigahorse]

I think your comments demonstrate that you don't understand how the technology works, and the amount of hard work that goes on behind the curtain. It takes time and a lot of work by very dedicated people to adapt FSD to a vehicle as different as the Cybertruck. Most relevant here, they needed data, lots of it.

It's completely unsurprising that Tesla didn't freeze all other FSD development efforts to focus on the first 10,000 Cybertrucks to come off the line when it would be much easier to wait for an appropriate amount of data to become readily available.

From the sounds I'm hearing, version 14 will bring FSD on Cybertruck up to and beyond the capabilities we currently experience on other Hardware 4 Tesla models.

It's OK to have high standards, but patience is necessary.

I don't understand all the intricacies of what it takes to bring FSD to the point where a driver is not necessary. But I feel as only maybe 20 people in the world do, none of which if I had to guess are members of this forum.
What I do know is I have spent a substantial amount of money across multiple Teslas on "Full Self Driving" that has been "about a year away from a major breakthrough and level 4 or 5 for the last several years.
I have patience but after half a decade of being a year away I feel like its time to see some light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[CTOWannabe]

I use it daily and love it but it is far from perfect. Crossing over the double yellow on a left turn for one is a big deficiency I'd like fixed. I have to assume that the robotaxi fleet is running something beyond 14.

"Not perfect" is an amazing upgrade from the homicidal deathwish incompetent psychopath terrorists I share the roads with daily, also known as licensed American drivers.

Ice water in hell springs to mind.

Not letting perfect get in the way of a big upgrade.

As always, YMMV.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Sure, but you have had zero, and I mean zero, credibility with me long before you made that ridiculous statement.

I can't put my finger on the username but you remind me of more than one COC forum member who lost their posting privileges long ago. You have the words of a Tesla short-seller.

I have been one of Tesla's greatest supporters, an original public shareholder, have never been short, have been along for the entire ride. I have personally instroduced and escorted Tesla execs to two statehouses and successfully assisted them in overcoming auto dealership resistance to Tesla showrooms. You have no idea who I am. I have a public persona, would be at personal risk for spreading FUD, in several ways. Let's keep it to substance please. Content, not personality.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

That depends upon your locale, it will get approved in some areas before others. It also depends upon your ability to sleep in a car. I can't even sleep, nor would I want to, while another skilled human is driving.

Once FSD is approved (unsupervised), I will still supervise it, just like I do whenever I'm in the passenger seat and someone else is driving.

me too. I was just thinking that we all have different definitions of "there" and that maybe if their definition was that broad that might be where they came up with 10 years. I do not like anyone driving me and cannot sleep (although, interestingly enough, I have been known to sleep on an aircraft).

 

[txtravwill]

I think your comments demonstrate that you don't understand how the technology works, and the amount of hard work that goes on behind the curtain. It takes time and a lot of work by very dedicated people to adapt FSD to a vehicle as different as the Cybertruck. Most relevant here, they needed data, lots of it.

It's completely unsurprising that Tesla didn't freeze all other FSD development efforts to focus on the first 10,000 Cybertrucks to come off the line when it would be much easier to wait for an appropriate amount of data to become readily available.

From the sounds I'm hearing, version 14 will bring FSD on Cybertruck up to and beyond the capabilities we currently experience on other Hardware 4 Tesla models.

It's OK to have high standards, but patience is necessary.

I dunno. I specialize also in AI development and I'm not seeing any improvements over the last few releases as well as definitely not onboard. If a highly standardized model like the CT isn't "self learning" either through the massive AI models running or onboard isn't receiving or learning from any notifications of errors/bugs, then I have little trust in what they are actually coding right now to be able to adapt to other hardware, car models, etc.

 

[CTOWannabe]

I dunno. I specialize also in AI development and I'm not seeing any improvements over the last few releases as well as definitely not onboard. If a highly standardized model like the CT isn't "self learning" either through the massive AI models running or onboard isn't receiving or learning from any notifications of errors/bugs, then I have little trust in what they are actually coding right now to be able to adapt to other hardware, car models, etc.

Hey small world, I think I've seen you driving around LV. Burgundy wrap, right?

I'll wave or give you a thumbs up next time I pass you buy. Wouldnt think I'd find another person from this part of the sticks!

 

[HaulingAss]

I don't understand all the intricacies of what it takes to bring FSD to the point where a driver is not necessary. But I feel as only maybe 20 people in the world do, none of which if I had to guess are members of this forum.
What I do know is I have spent a substantial amount of money across multiple Teslas on "Full Self Driving" that has been "about a year away from a major breakthrough and level 4 or 5 for the last several years.
I have patience but after half a decade of being a year away I feel like its time to see some light at the end of the tunnel.

Every person who has purchased FSD knows they are purchasing a work in development, with no guaranteed timeframe of reaching unsupervised autonomy (and no guarantee of even reaching it). But the one thing that is certain, is that you will continually get updated with the latest and greatest (and that if and when it becomes fully autonomous, it won't cost a single penny more).

I've purchase 5 Tesla with FSD and not even once did I think it was likely to be fully autonomous, unsupervised, within a year. I knew that all my purchases ever guaranteed is that I would be continually upgraded to the latest and greatest available, that success was NEVER guaranteed.

If you felt differently, I feel truly sorry for you. That must be a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[HaulingAss]

I have been one of Tesla's greatest supporters, an original public shareholder, have never been short, have been along for the entire ride. I have personally instroduced and escorted Tesla execs to two statehouses and successfully assisted them in overcoming auto dealership resistance to Tesla showrooms. You have no idea who I am. I have a public persona, would be at personal risk for spreading FUD, in several ways. Let's keep it to substance please. Content, not personality.

I'm just speaking honestly when I say you have no credibility with me. That is something that is earned, and you have not earned it with me. No offense intended,

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