FSD 14 now rolling out to employees

[LarryASilva]

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[dalton108]

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[gtgarner]

That is setting the bar way too low.

No it isn't. No it isn't at all.

Comparing FSD to Humans is setting the bar way to low? What other entity drives itself?

When people say FSD isn't good enough - compared to who? Compared to what else? What is on the other side of "the bar"?

 

[65SoYoLO]

No it isn't. No it isn't at all.

Comparing FSD to Humans is setting the bar way to low? What other entity drives itself?

When people say FSD isn't good enough - compared to who? Compared to what else? What is on the other side of "the bar"?

You left an important part of my quote All FSD has to be is better than the worst human driver? They were some really really bad drivers if that's all it wil accomplis, it is dangerous.

 

[gtgarner]

You left an important part of my quote All FSD has to be is better than the worst human driver? They were some really really bad drivers if that's all it wil accomplis, it is dangerous.

Do you think its ONLY better than the worst drivers? Do you think that's all it has accomplished?

If so - then you obviously don't own it or you are not using it.

I know you get my point - but somehow want to debate for some reason.

If the DMV gives out licenses like water (and they do) - then where is the bar? What is the universal bar that we can all use to say that FSD is good or not? What is the universal bar that we can each use to verify "our own" driving skills.

Average number of accidents per mile? - sorry humans.
Average number of injuries per mile? - sorry humans.
Average number of deaths per mile? - sorry humans.
even with that
Average amount of comfort/confidence per mile? - sorry FSD. <--- I don't get it.

You might think you are a great driver - and I might think you are horrible. Self evaluation isn't very reliable and neither is it when evaluating FSD.
Humans tend to be very arrogant and forgiving when self evaluating themselves.

A technology has to far exceed the capability of a human to be unquestionably accepted (like computers or microwaves or cellphones or televisions or AI) or technology only used by specially trained operators - like pilots - when using FSF (Full Self Flying) autopilot.

 

[BabOne]

Do you think its ONLY better than the worst drivers? Do you think that's all it has accomplished?

If so - then you obviously don't own it or you are not using it.

I know you get my point - but somehow want to debate for some reason.

If the DMV gives out licenses like water (and they do) - then where is the bar? What is the universal bar that we can all use to say that FSD is good or not? What is the universal bar that we can each use to verify "our own" driving skills.

Average number of accidents per mile? - sorry humans.
Average number of injuries per mile? - sorry humans.
Average number of deaths per mile? - sorry humans.
even with that
Average amount of comfort/confidence per mile? - sorry FSD. <--- I don't get it.

You might think you are a great driver - and I might think you are horrible. Self evaluation isn't very reliable and neither is it when evaluating FSD.
Humans tend to be very arrogant and forgiving when self evaluating themselves.

A technology has to far exceed the capability of a human to be unquestionably accepted (like computers or microwaves or cellphones or televisions or AI) or technology only used by specially trained operators - like pilots - when using FSF (Full Self Flying) autopilot.

Well said gtgarner, and I agree.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Every person who has purchased FSD knows they are purchasing a work in development, with no guaranteed timeframe of reaching unsupervised autonomy (and no guarantee of even reaching it). But the one thing that is certain, is that you will continually get updated with the latest and greatest (and that if and when it becomes fully autonomous, it won't cost a single penny more).

I've purchase 5 Tesla with FSD and not even once did I think it was likely to be fully autonomous, unsupervised, within a year. I knew that all my purchases ever guaranteed is that I would be continually upgraded to the latest and greatest available, that success was NEVER guaranteed.

If you felt differently, I feel truly sorry for you. That must be a bitter pill to swallow.

Although I agree with you mostly when we bought our first Tesla in 2019 the person at the showroom told us in no uncertain terms that FSD would be able to drive us from home to work and back. We were just naive in believing them, which we shouldn’t have been. When I bought my Model Y in 2022 I had my head twisted on straight and purchased FSD again. By then of course (and even in 2020 for our Model 3) FSD was good enough to be a valuable asset. This spring we got the current Model Y and Tesla transferred our FSD from the 2022 Model Y. It was a big deal for me and am quite happy about it. Tesla would have upgraded our Model Y to AI4 but I suspected there would be a long wait and possible glitches so we took all of the improvements and got the new car (it was still a hard sell for my wife).

Anyway, I am a believer in FSD but we definitely bought it in 2019 without your skepticism about unsupervised autonomy. Tesla had [finally] done right by us and, as you say, I believe they will continue to do so.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I am still looking for any evidence that V14 has been given to anyone. Did Whole Mars actually sit in an employee’s car and see the V14 version number or was it second or third hand information?

 

[Gaximus]

I'm not confused at all. Not in the least.

It drives me just fine. Over 200k miles of FSD between my 2018 P3D and my 2024 CT. I've been a part of this game a long time.

Lots of "ifs" in your statement.

There a lot of improvements that can be made, prediction type thing. Like if a car is coming toward you and turning left, instead of slowing down it’ll be able to predict if it’ll still be in the lane when you get there, instead of slowing down because the logic says “vehicle in road, slow down to prevent collision “, it could now say, “vehicle in road, 95% chance it’ll be gone when reached”. There are also a ton of situations, that could be improved on or handle that it doesn’t know, like if a human is directing traffic, it needs to be able to handle hand gestures. Or even things like passing slow cars on a two lane road.

 

[gtgarner]

There a lot of improvements that can be made, prediction type thing. Like if a car is coming toward you and turning left, instead of slowing down it’ll be able to predict if it’ll still be in the lane when you get there, instead of slowing down because the logic says “vehicle in road, slow down to prevent collision “, it could now say, “vehicle in road, 95% chance it’ll be gone when reached”. There are also a ton of situations, that could be improved on or handle that it doesn’t know, like if a human is directing traffic, it needs to be able to handle hand gestures. Or even things like passing slow cars on a two lane road.

Do humans do that? What the percentage?


Assume that's my question to every scenario to be listed.



Just 10 min ago I saw a human make a right turn from the left lane. Would FSD do that?

 

[Gaximus]

Do humans do that? What the percentage?


Assume that's my question to every scenario to be listed.



Just 10 min ago I saw a human make a right turn from the left lane. Would FSD do that?

Humans do a lot of predictive type things that you don’t really think about. Like, if you see someone walking toward an intersection with a phone in their hand, you prepare to stop, or even slowdown a bit in case they step into traffic without looking. FSD can’t currently do that.

 

[gtgarner]

Humans do a lot of predictive type things that you don’t really think about. Like, if you see someone walking toward an intersection with a phone in their hand, you prepare to stop, or even slowdown a bit in case they step into traffic without looking. FSD can’t currently do that.

you do realize that the title of this thread includes the term FSD 14 - where predictive travel will be introduced? Next Level AI Transformers for Tesla FSD Version 14 | NextBigFuture.com


Ok...lets have a little fun.

I will name a human action that FSD doesn't do and you name an FSD action that humans don't do.

I'll go first.

Today I saw a human make a right turn from the left lane. FSD doesn't do that.
Yesterday I saw a human backing up on the expressway 1/4 mile because they missed the exit. FSD doesn't do that.

 

[Gaximus]

you do realize that the title of this thread includes the term FSD 14 - where predictive travel will be introduced? Next Level AI Transformers for Tesla FSD Version 14 | NextBigFuture.com


Ok...lets have a little fun.

I will name a human action that FSD doesn't do and you name an FSD action that humans don't do.

I'll go first.

Today I saw a human make a right turn from the left lane. FSD doesn't do that.
Yesterday I saw a human backing up on the expressway 1/4 mile because they missed the exit. FSD doesn't do that.

I don’t think I’m understanding your argument, your arguing that humans suck compared to FSD, I agree with that, but you also said that FSD doesn’t need get better(or that it’s perfect for you, something along those lines) and I was saying there is a lot of improvements that can be made to FSD. Like Predictive Travel.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

you do realize that the title of this thread includes the term FSD 14 - where predictive travel will be introduced? Next Level AI Transformers for Tesla FSD Version 14 | NextBigFuture.com


Ok...lets have a little fun.

I will name a human action that FSD doesn't do and you name an FSD action that humans don't do.

I'll go first.

Today I saw a human make a right turn from the left lane. FSD doesn't do that.
Yesterday I saw a human backing up on the expressway 1/4 mile because they missed the exit. FSD doesn't do that.

Thank goodness for FSD not doing insane and illegal things!

 

[txtravwill]

Thank goodness for FSD not doing insane and illegal things!

Oh it does, and often. Doesn't learn for the next time either.

Mine would make the same right turn into a left turn lane every single day if I let it. It would get over every single day into oncoming construction we've had up for 6 months that says right lane ending every time, unlike a person that has encountered it many times. It's just dumb code quite often still. It doesn't even read road speed limit signs like my 2022 Lexus does reliably.

That is what I hope to see improve someday soon maybe with 14.

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