FSD 14 now rolling out to employees

[HaulingAss]

Did he count the follow distance of the Cybertruck and the car in front of it?

Do you think the follow distance of the Cybertruck on FSD is a problem?

Don't get me wrong, I sometimes find the follow distance slightly uncomfortable, it's often about the closest I would ever follow another car (and that would only be if I was perfectly alert, with zero distractions).

But here's the thing. The following distance rules of thumb taught by expert driving instructors takes into account human reaction time and a certain amount of distraction. An autonomous system will have it's own limits, defined by it's detection and reaction times. The goal is no rear end collisions, even if the leading driver slams on the brakes unexpectedly. My personal experience using FSD informs me that the closer follow distance (compared to with what I'm comfortable with) is well within the vehicles ability to stop, even when the car in front goes into emergency braking mode.

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[GmP]

Do you think the follow distance of the Cybertruck on FSD is a problem?

Don't get me wrong, I sometimes find the follow distance slightly uncomfortable, it's often about the closest I would ever follow another car (and that would only be if I was perfectly alert, with zero distractions).

But here's the thing. The following distance rules of thumb taught by expert driving instructors takes into account human reaction time and a certain amount of distraction. An autonomous system will have it's own limits, defined by it's detection and reaction times. The goal is no rear end collisions, even if the leading driver slams on the brakes unexpectedly. My personal experience using FSD informs me that the closer follow distance (compared to with what I'm comfortable with) is well within the vehicles ability to stop, even when the car in front goes into emergency braking mode.

While I as owner/driver and thus familiar with the CT capabilities agree that the CT very likely can/will stop in time to not cause an accident, the driver of the car in front of me might feel very different if he sees me large and close in his rear view mirror. Just for that I would not mind if FSD in the CT would be a little more “accommodating” with the following distance. We are all on the road together, right?

 

[gtgarner]

While I as owner/driver and thus familiar with the CT capabilities agree that the CT very likely can/will stop in time to not cause an accident, the driver of the car in front of me might feel very different if he sees me large and close in his rear view mirror. Just for that I would not mind if FSD in the CT would be a little more “accommodating” with the following distance. We are all on the road together, right?

Set your follow distance on the screen.

What's the problem?

 

[noobla3]

An autonomous system will have it's own limits, defined by it's detection and reaction times. The goal is no rear end collisions, even if the leading driver slams on the brakes unexpectedly. My personal experience using FSD informs me that the closer follow distance (compared to with what I'm comfortable with) is well within the vehicles ability to stop, even when the car in front goes into emergency braking mode.

I have experienced the CT needing to activate AEB in local road when the car in front wasn’t paying attention and slammed on his brakes when clearly traffic had come to a full stop ahead. The CT continues only use the immediate car in front as guide which is very dangerous but that’s another topic.

I’m unsure if on highway going 70mph the CT would be able to stop in time in an emergency situation when following the car at 1-2 second follow distance. I often disengage or dial down my speed manually to back off.

 

[noobla3]

Set your follow distance on the screen.

What's the problem?

Wasn’t aware that’s an option in FSD.

 

[Gaximus]

Wasn’t aware that’s an option in FSD.

It’s not. You can change the driving style to “Chill” which will give you a slightly larger following distance but you loose a lot for it, like changing lanes, accelerating at all.

The closest it’ll follow in FSD, is not a distance anyone would feel they are being tail gated, the lights will always be visible in their rear view mirror. If they can’t see your head lights, then your tail gating.

 

[noobla3]

It’s not. You can change the driving style to “Chill” which will give you a slightly larger following distance but you loose a lot for it, like changing lanes, accelerating at all.

The closest it’ll follow in FSD, is not a distance anyone would feel they are being tail gated, the lights will always be visible in their rear view mirror. If they can’t see your head lights, then your tail gating.

I drive in chill mode 90% of the time.

I agree people would not consider CT tailgating because people driving manually does a lot worse. But I personally am not comfortable with the follow distance.

 

[HaulingAss]

The CT continues only use the immediate car in front as guide which is very dangerous but that’s another topic.

That's incorrect.

I've seen numerous examples in both video and in my personal use of FSD where FSD reacted to hazardous developments up ahead well before the car FSD was following responded at all.

 

[Gaximus]

That's incorrect.

I've seen numerous examples in both video and in my personal use of FSD where FSD reacted to hazardous developments up ahead well before the car FSD was following responded at all.

Exactly. There are tons of videos of Teslas reacting to things before the car in front gen know there is danger.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

It’s not. You can change the driving style to “Chill” which will give you a slightly larger following distance but you loose a lot for it, like changing lanes, accelerating at all.

The closest it’ll follow in FSD, is not a distance anyone would feel they are being tail gated, the lights will always be visible in their rear view mirror. If they can’t see your head lights, then your tail gating.

It follows too close for ‘my’ comfort. I liked it better before they removed the ability to set the following distance. In fact, I find FSD to be very disrespectful and impolite. I suspect that if this is fine with you I’d find you the same. This is why ‘we’ should be in control of settings; we are all different.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

There hasn't been any word on CTOC about V14 since it was first shared that it was going out to selected (my assumption) employees. Has anyone heard anything else. I would not be impatient had it not been reported, but as soon as that happened it suddenly became important to me to track the progress. There appears to have been none. Maybe the original posting was BS?

 

[SCTesla]

There hasn't been any word on CTOC about V14 since it was first shared that it was going out to selected (my assumption) employees. Has anyone heard anything else. I would not be impatient had it not been reported, but as soon as that happened it suddenly became important to me to track the progress. There appears to have been none. Maybe the original posting was BS?

Elon said in an interview last week they are aiming for the end of the year for V14. People are still saying RT is V13. I assume employee testing prior to RT.

There is another rumor that Tesla is trying to push V14 to some cars by the annual investor meeting on Nov 6.

Edit: The employee group that has historically received new FSD about a month before rollout on Teslafi doesn't have it, either.

 

[Gaximus]

It follows too close for ‘my’ comfort. I liked it better before they removed the ability to set the following distance. In fact, I find FSD to be very disrespectful and impolite. I suspect that if this is fine with you I’d find you the same. This is why ‘we’ should be in control of settings; we are all different.

I agree with this, because I want to control the settings too. But I saw a video that if all cars had self driving, they would be able to communicate with each other allowing for much closer and scarier interactions, so much so they said one of the things future cars in this scenario would have to have is windows that blackout. Because it would be too scary for anyone to see what’s happening. Just like when a group of people walk through an intersection at different directions, we can see and predict what others can do without hitting each other, cars would do this too, but at like 80 mph, with no need for stoplights. You would just trust the vehicle to not kill you, it would be scary, but safe.

My point being, Tesla is kind of trying to jump some steps, by making their FSD, drive for you, just trust it, and set you “need” (chill, normal, hurry) but we are in the weird supervised stage, so we are to monitor, and that makes us want to drive like we would drive, instead of just letting it drive. I wouldn’t care if it had a huge follow distance or short, if I could just work on my laptop the whole time.

That ended up being much longer than expected.

 

[REM]

I agree with this, because I want to control the settings too. But I saw a video that if all cars had self driving, they would be able to communicate with each other allowing for much closer and scarier interactions, so much so they said one of the things future cars in this scenario would have to have is windows that blackout. Because it would be too scary for anyone to see what’s happening. Just like when a group of people walk through an intersection at different directions, we can see and predict what others can do without hitting each other, cars would do this too, but at like 80 mph, with no need for stoplights. You would just trust the vehicle to not kill you, it would be scary, but safe.

My point being, Tesla is kind of trying to jump some steps, by making their FSD, drive for you, just trust it, and set you “need” (chill, normal, hurry) but we are in the weird supervised stage, so we are to monitor, and that makes us want to drive like we would drive, instead of just letting it drive. I wouldn’t care if it had a huge follow distance or short, if I could just work on my laptop the whole time.

That ended up being much longer than expected.

Agreed. I believe the next iteration of cybercab will have a rearward facing cockpit too, since the survivability in that particular orientation is significantly higher in pretty much all crash events.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I agree with this, because I want to control the settings too. But I saw a video that if all cars had self driving, they would be able to communicate with each other allowing for much closer and scarier interactions, so much so they said one of the things future cars in this scenario would have to have is windows that blackout. Because it would be too scary for anyone to see what’s happening. Just like when a group of people walk through an intersection at different directions, we can see and predict what others can do without hitting each other, cars would do this too, but at like 80 mph, with no need for stoplights. You would just trust the vehicle to not kill you, it would be scary, but safe.

My point being, Tesla is kind of trying to jump some steps, by making their FSD, drive for you, just trust it, and set you “need” (chill, normal, hurry) but we are in the weird supervised stage, so we are to monitor, and that makes us want to drive like we would drive, instead of just letting it drive. I wouldn’t care if it had a huge follow distance or short, if I could just work on my laptop the whole time.

That ended up being much longer than expected.

Nice points. I am sure that after I am gone and the vast majority of cars are driving autonomously what you say will be true. It is also true that we are living in a transition period where people and cars will be driving with each other. And sometimes it is scary because I know that I cannot trust other drivers to drive safely. I do not have to accept that reality. It is true that Tesla wants to jump ahead but it is simply not realistic.

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