Charging rate appears to be below 1C

[cybercricket]

Our definitions of a "resonable person" are probably different so I'll refrain from further discussions on the topic.

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[HaulingAss]

The oldest playbook indeed. "I don't use a trailer, so nobody else uses a trailer and any complaints are just manufactured. And Tesla is outright stupid to invest into building out pull-through stations for EVs with trailers, because nobody in reality uses a trailer with an EV, and if they are, they should be buying an ICE truck instead."

I never said any of those things.

The point is, most people don't tow large trailers long distances, it's a strong minority of people, even for those people with ICE pickups. If you want to do that, you will be better served with an ICE truck until there are more and faster pull-through charging opportunities.

The whole "towing big trailers long-distance" thing comes up far more often than what is very much an edge case would imply. It would be like going to the McLaren forum and saying McLarens are not good at hauling two people and luggage to the airport for a month-long vacation. Nobody buys a McLaren to do that (because they know better).

That said, the Cybertruck handles big trailers (up to it's rated capacity) with ease. Just keep it within the local area if you don't want to deal with long charge times and Superchargers that might not have pull-through charging options yet.

 

[TexasRaider]

Your findings are correct. Cybertruck is not a quick charging vehicle, none of the Teslas are. There are many vehicles out there with lower PEAK charge rates that charge faster than Teslas because they have a much better charge curve. The original Mercedes EQS only charged at 200kw PEAK but still achieved 10-80% in 31 minutes.

Tesla's charging is far behind the times. There are now many vehicles out there with peak charge speeds that WELL exceed Tesla's and actually have great charge curves.

It will only get worse from here with the likes of BMW, Porsche, Mercedes etc and all their recent offerings.

New low-end Mercedes and BMW models (CLA, iX3) charge around 400kw. Mercedes has the new AMG GT 4-Door which charges in the 600kw range. Porsche has the new Cayenne which is also around 400kw.

Mercedes AMG GT can charge from 10-80% in 11 minutes.
Cayenne EV can charge from 10-80% in 16 minutes.
CLA EV can charge from 10-80% in 22 minutes.
BMW iX3 can charge from 10-80% in 21 minutes.

Cybertruck 10-80%? 35-40 minutes.
Model Y 10-80%? 30-36 minutes.

Keep in mind that these vehicles have different battery sizes, of course.

When I am looking at choosing an EV, I still only plan to charge to 80% on long trips. Anything more and I plan to stop for a long breakfast/lunch/dinner/nap/walk.

Otherwise, I expect to want to complain. It’s been the same (80%) to me since 2017. The mileage has gotten better but not the percentage. (Just sharing as food for thought.)

 

[HaulingAss]

When I am looking at choosing an EV, I still only plan to charge to 80% on long trips. Anything more and I plan to stop for a long breakfast/lunch/dinner/nap/walk.

Why would you even charge to 80% on a long trip? I typically only pull in for 15-20 minutes, enough to get me 2-2 1/2 hours down the road (when I will be glad for another chance to get out of the vehicle, stretch the legs and pee). It's unhealthy to sit in a chair for more than a couple of hours without a stretch, worse when that chair is in a moving vehicle.

Yes, if I'm having a sit-down meal anyway, I will let it charge all the way to 90% or more if the Supercharger is not too busy (and they rarely are). Or, if I have AC charging at my hotel, I will let it go to 100% to reduce the expense of charging on the road, and I do the same the night before I depart home). But I would never wait for it to get to 80% at a Supercharger before departing unless I was entering a Supercharging desert (which are becoming increasingly rare).

 

[TexasRaider]

Why would you even charge to 80% on a long trip? I typically only pull in for 15-20 minutes, enough to get me 2-2 1/2 hours down the road (when I will be glad for another chance to get out of the vehicle, stretch the legs and pee). It's unhealthy to sit in a chair for more than a couple of hours without a stretch, worse when that chair is in a moving vehicle.

Yes, if I'm having a sit-down meal anyway, I will let it charge all the way to 90% or more if the Supercharger is not too busy (and they rarely are). Or, if I have AC charging at my hotel, I will let it go to 100% to reduce the expense of charging on the road, and I do the same the night before I depart home). But I would never wait for it to get to 80% at a Supercharger before departing unless I was entering a Supercharging desert (which are becoming increasingly rare).

Good question.
Correction, I don’t expect to charge past that.
I’d say it’s more in the 60% range.

 

[Outdoors]

You know what I've been thinking about. I don't know why this 1C is such a big deal. I charge at almost 2C all throughout my charging sesions. Can't always guarantee that though.

 

[CyberGus]

I don't know why this 1C is such a big deal.

I prefer 36C

 

[Outdoors]

I prefer 36C

Going to knock @CyberGus with the Porsche battery abuser upon selling his truck

 

[roadrunner32]

For me the bug-a-boo with charging is that the destination hotels don't have overnight charging. One would like to arrive at the hotel and visit. Well no, "Kilowatt hour breath" you have to drive across town in traffic, sit at a charger for an hour drive back, another 20 minutes in traffic. These expensive hotels that wedding planners make us stay at should get with the program. We are after all a fourth the way through the 21st century. -and in a war again over gasoline. sorry for the rant.

 

[Jabman]

I prefer 36C

Those tend to be unavailable and come with eyes that look like this

 

[UberNoob]

For me the bug-a-boo with charging is that the destination hotels don't have overnight charging. One would like to arrive at the hotel and visit. Well no, "Kilowatt hour breath" you have to drive across town in traffic, sit at a charger for an hour drive back, another 20 minutes in traffic. These expensive hotels that wedding planners make us stay at should get with the program. We are after all a fourth the way through the 21st century. -and in a war again over gasoline. sorry for the rant.

The newer Tesla L2 chargers are programmable to charge what ever the owner sets. When I see it pop up I confirm it’s cheaper than Teslas rate as it’s an inferior service provided. Have not verified congested fee for plugging in after you hit your limit.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

The oldest playbook in Tesla land is "Oh, yeah, but what if you are towing a big trailer?

I see a lot of pickups on the road where I live and travel, mostly gas and a few electric, very few of them have a trailer behind them and most of the ones that do don't look like they are on a long multi-day trip.

Think about that before saying, "Yeah, but what about trailers". I purposefully do not tow a trailer when travelling long distance and that was also true when all I had were ICE trucks. If you are one of those RV'ers, I recommend getting a 3/4-ton (minimum) gas or diesel truck. Not because an electric truck can't do it, but a trailer tends to more than double the time spent charging. This is true even if you have a truck like the Silverado that slightly edges out the Cybertruck in charging speed, assuming you have appropriate chargers available(and that is a big assumption). In most rural areas the selection of DCFC is not as good and the Cybertruck will often beat the Silverado in terms of miles added during a typical charging stop. But very few 1/2 ton pickups are actually used for long-distance towing.

In other words, this charging speed wailing means very little in the real world. If I had a dollar for every time I saw someone write, "but what if you are towing a big trailer long-distances" I would be wealthier than I already am.

Just because you don’t tow doesn’t mean a lot of CT owners don’t. In the past month I’ve towed 2,900 miles with large trailers. I’ve seen lots of other CTs doing it. Just yesterday at the boat ramp I encountered three others plus mine, all towing over 5,000 pounds. The towing function is a major design factor with the CT, and it isn’t doing it well from a range perspective. I’m getting tired of folks who say they are tired of the anti-CT towing complaint. The fact is this the CT was SOLD as a distance tow vehicle and a range extender was promised. Neither promise was met and we can carp about that fact despite your observation that most truck owners, including you, rarely tow long distance. It’s irrelevant. Otherwise, my CT is the best towing truck I’ve owned, better than my current F250s and F350 on the farm, which I cannot use for long distance towing due to HOA restrictions in Florida. Towed in the past month:

 

[PungoteagueDave]

I never said any of those things.

The point is, most people don't tow large trailers long distances, it's a strong minority of people, even for those people with ICE pickups. If you want to do that, you will be better served with an ICE truck until there are more and faster pull-through charging opportunities.

The whole "towing big trailers long-distance" thing comes up far more often than what is very much an edge case would imply. It would be like going to the McLaren forum and saying McLarens are not good at hauling two people and luggage to the airport for a month-long vacation. Nobody buys a McLaren to do that (because they know better).

That said, the Cybertruck handles big trailers (up to it's rated capacity) with ease. Just keep it within the local area if you don't want to deal with long charge times and Superchargers that might not have pull-through charging options yet.

It isn’t an edge case, full stop. It is a normal use case for which the CT was specifically DESIGNED and marketed.

 

[roadrunner32]

The newer Tesla L2 chargers are programmable to charge what ever the owner sets. When I see it pop up I confirm it’s cheaper than Teslas rate as it’s an inferior service provided. Have not verified congested fee for plugging in after you hit your limit.

Only once did I have a pleasant experience at a destination hotel, I was able charge overnight to a full charge and was able to make it home the next morning about 250 miles on that charge and the charge was free. However when I first arrived at the hotel on previous day the two charging stalls (up front near near entrance) were occupied by non EVs. it was a year ago San Marcos Tx.

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