4680 dry cathode battery for the CyberTruck. When and what range?

[CTOWannabe]

I didn't try to break out percentages, but it's plainly obvious that most people are not driving enough each day to stress the Cybertruck's range. The daily mileage of the average motorist is only 37 miles per day!

You sound unhappy that most people don't require 300+ miles of range in their EVs. But that's just a fact.

I agree "most" dont drive nor require 300+ range. I disagree that it's some minuscule minority. Tesla doesnt build 350+ mile 3/Y/S models for a tiny minuscule minority.

Enough people do need it. They don't need it regularly or even the vast majority of the time. But on enough occasions to warrant it. And I also will allow that many that thought they would need it, ended up not needing it. But these are all fuzzy quantums being bandied about, and the reality is a substantial number of Americans regularly go on long enough road trips, and do need longer ranges.

Youre trying to minimize it is what I'm unhappy about as it is, IMO, disingenuous 'math'.

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[CTOWannabe]

I'll show you people that have run out of gas. Your point is?

It does not sound as if it is physics in your scenario, it sounds as if it is your preference.

What's the route? Let is take a look.

It flew over your head. Preferences and physics are often very intertwined. Those places where the trucks had to turn back, the gas powered trucks did not have to, because there were enough stations around.



I have a bunch of routes I need to drive but one of them is from Lubbock to Wichita Falls (in Texas). That has a 210 mile gap and there is a nearby charger in Henrietta about 20 miles away that would work as I often then head to McKinney after that. That's basically a 230 mile gap. And the traffic there is not 65mph but more 85-90 (posted limit is 75) most of the way.

Anyway, it's not about any particular route, it's about a real need driving in places that do not have sufficient coverage (for now) and a bunch of my common routes need a real world 270'ish mile range. And also having at least a little bit of "cushion" in range because "things happen". Roads close. Accidents and detours are thing. Chargers break. Weather gets bad. These are all real things, like the video showed.

 

[HaulingAss]

I agree "most" dont drive nor require 300+ range. I disagree that it's some minuscule minority. Tesla doesnt build 350+ mile 3/Y/S models for a tiny minuscule minority.

Correct, Tesla builds cars for the masses. The extra range is a benefit in some cases where it's not actually necessary because it decreases charge times by allowing the battery to stay in the "sweet spot" of charging (between 10% SOC and 60% SOC). But it's a tiny, miniscule portion of the people that actually need 350-400 miles of range, even it does occasionally decrease their time spent charging by a few minutes.

Enough people do need it. They don't need it regularly or even the vast majority of the time. But on enough occasions to warrant it. And I also will allow that many that thought they would need it, ended up not needing it. But these are all fuzzy quantums being bandied about, and the reality is a substantial number of Americans regularly go on long enough road trips, and do need longer ranges.

The length of the road trip has nothing to do with needing more range. The ~300 miles of EPA range Tesla equips most of their N. American cars with is chosen because that's the right amount for long-distance travel, even in the winter with a headwind. The vast majority of people don't drive cross-country on the shortest route, away from routes populated by Superchargers, they take the Intestate. It's only at the end of a trip (if it ends in the boonies with no ideal charging options nearby) that you might have a range problem (thanks to the density of the Supercharger Network on long-distance routes).

I can see your mindset is still stuck in the gasoline era. The electric era has slightly different constraints that shape the trip (for the better, IMO). But even if you don't think it's "better" it's still set up to work well, and all decisions Tesla makes are designed around the actual constraints that the vast majority of people face, not the edge cases. If you are one of the edge cases, you might still want to drive a gas vehicle. For everyone else, the 300+ miles of Tesla's long-range models suit just fine, even for the longest coast to coast trip. Heck, even the standard range models can do coast to coast just fine, albeit with 5-10 minutes more Supercharging per day.

 

[CTOWannabe]

Correct, Tesla builds cars for the masses. The extra range is a benefit in some cases where it's not actually necessary because it decreases charge times by allowing the battery to stay in the "sweet spot" of charging (between 10% SOC and 60% SOC). But it's a tiny, miniscule portion of the people that actually need 350-400 miles of range, even it does occasionally decrease their time spent charging by a few minutes.



The length of the road trip has nothing to do with needing more range. The ~300 miles of EPA range Tesla equips most of their N. American cars with is chosen because that's the right amount for long-distance travel, even in the winter with a headwind. The vast majority of people don't drive cross-country on the shortest route, away from routes populated by Superchargers, they take the Intestate. It's only at the end of a trip (if it ends in the boonies with no ideal charging options nearby) that you might have a range problem (thanks to the density of the Supercharger Network on long-distance routes).

I can see your mindset is still stuck in the gasoline era. The electric era has slightly different constraints that shape the trip (for the better, IMO). But even if you don't think it's "better" it's still set up to work well, and all decisions Tesla makes are designed around the actual constraints that the vast majority of people face, not the edge cases. If you are one of the edge cases, you might still want to drive a gas vehicle. For everyone else, the 300+ miles of Tesla's long-range models suit just fine, even for the longest coast to coast trip. Heck, even the standard range models can do coast to coast just fine, albeit with 5-10 minutes more Supercharging per day.

Your tiny minuscule percentage is a total fabrication of your … opinion. You have nothing to back it up statistically. People that buy the extra range do it in significant number and that alone belies your pure whims of anecdotal conjecture as they captaincy no what they need better than you do on average.

As for you thinking you can read my mind and where it’s stuck, that you believe that, it reveals more about your biases than anyone else’s.

 

[HaulingAss]

Your tiny minuscule percentage is a total fabrication of your … opinion. You have nothing to back it up statistically. People that buy the extra range do it in significant number and that alone belies your pure whims of anecdotal conjecture as they captaincy no what they need better than you do on average.

As for you thinking you can read my mind and where it’s stuck, that you believe that, it reveals more about your biases than anyone else’s.

People do buy more range than they absolutely need, and there is a small benefit in charging times and fewer stops. But it's not a bias in my brain to say that most people don't need any more than 300+ miles of EPA range. Because Superchargers. The rest are edge cases and the facts back this up.

Tesla has studied this extensively before planing their Supercharger Network and deciding how much range their cars needed to meet most peoples need in a convenient manner. And guess who had the best-selling car in the world last year? I'm not asking who had the best selling EV in the world, I'm asking who had the best-selling car or truck of any type.

Yeah, the Tesla Model Y outsold every gas car on the market. And the Dual Motor Cybertruck has more range than the longest range version of the Model Y, when equipped with all-season radials.

Clearly, most people don't need more range, or a less expensive gas vehicle would have been the best seller.

 

[Crissa]

I agree "most" dont drive nor require 300+ range. I disagree that it's some minuscule minority. Tesla doesnt build 350+ mile 3/Y/S models for a tiny minuscule minority.

Enough people do need it. They don't need it regularly or even the vast majority of the time. But on enough occasions to warrant it. And I also will allow that many that thought they would need it, ended up not needing it. But these are all fuzzy quantums being bandied about, and the reality is a substantial number of Americans regularly go on long enough road trips, and do need longer ranges.

Youre trying to minimize it is what I'm unhappy about as it is, IMO, disingenuous 'math'.

No, I'm trying to bring you back to the reality that you are in a edge case.

I agree there should be enough demand for a variant.

But it's a very small segment of population. And something better solved by more charging infrastructure.

-Crissa

 

[CTOWannabe]

People do buy more range than they absolutely need, and there is a small benefit in charging times and fewer stops. But it's not a bias in my brain to say that most people don't need any more than 300+ miles of EPA range. Because Superchargers. The rest are edge cases and the facts back this up.

Tesla has studied this extensively before planing their Supercharger Network and deciding how much range their cars needed to meet most peoples need in a convenient manner. And guess who had the best-selling car in the world last year? I'm not asking who had the best selling EV in the world, I'm asking who had the best-selling car or truck of any type.

Yeah, the Tesla Model Y outsold every gas car on the market. And the Dual Motor Cybertruck has more range than the longest range version of the Model Y, when equipped with all-season radials.

Clearly, most people don't need more range, or a less expensive gas vehicle would have been the best seller.

Sure oh mighty mind readers here know better than all other people do about themselves! ? It's impressive several of you truly believe you know better than all the people that bought 350+mile range teslas. Shocked I'm not shocked.

And you've moved the goal post. We are not talking about 'most people" buying non 350+ mile model Y. Obviously they made their decision.

We are talking about what most of the model Y long range buyers that do buy 350+models need, and you guys thinking you can read their minds and know better than what they do is a big tell about your biases.

HINT: once you resort to asserting your ability to mind read, you've lost the argument.

 

[HaulingAss]

Sure oh mighty mind readers here know better than all other people do about themselves! ? It's impressive several of you truly believe you know better than all the people that bought 350+mile range teslas. Shocked I'm not shocked.

And you've moved the goal post. We are not talking about 'most people" buying non 350+ mile model Y. Obviously they made their decision.

We are talking about what most of the model Y long range buyers that do buy 350+models need, and you guys thinking you can read their minds and know better than what they do is a big tell about your biases.

HINT: once you resort to asserting your ability to mind read, you've lost the argument.

It's not mind reading, it's the known facts.

And your argument that someone who buys a 350+ mile range EV must mean they need it is just plain wrong. Are you saying all the people who buy cars with 160 mph top speeds must need to drive 160 mph? It makes no sense to think so simplistically.

 

[CTOWannabe]

It's not mind reading, it's the known facts.

And your argument that someone who buys a 350+ mile range EV must mean they need it is just plain wrong. Are you saying all the people who buy cars with 160 mph top speeds must need to drive 160 mph? It makes no sense to think so simplistically.

No, it’s mind reading. You don’t know what is in the minds or requirements or what is actually used by those buying long range models.

Thanks for moving the goal posts for top speed. Another declaration of a lost argument.

Youre wrong and you continue to pile on yourself. I await your next strained flailing justifying your knowing masses of peoples’ actual use cases better than they do through your amazing “mind reading.”

 

[HaulingAss]

No, it’s mind reading. You don’t know what is in the minds or requirements or what is actually used by those buying long range models.

Thanks for moving the goal posts for top speed. Another declaration of a lost argument.

Youre wrong and you continue to pile on yourself. I await your next strained flailing justifying your knowing masses of peoples’ actual use cases better than they do through your amazing “mind reading.”

This is pointless, I don't think even YOU believe your own BS.

 

[Woodrick]

It flew over your head. Preferences and physics are often very intertwined. Those places where the trucks had to turn back, the gas powered trucks did not have to, because there were enough stations around.



I have a bunch of routes I need to drive but one of them is from Lubbock to Wichita Falls (in Texas). That has a 210 mile gap and there is a nearby charger in Henrietta about 20 miles away that would work as I often then head to McKinney after that. That's basically a 230 mile gap. And the traffic there is not 65mph but more 85-90 (posted limit is 75) most of the way.

Anyway, it's not about any particular route, it's about a real need driving in places that do not have sufficient coverage (for now) and a bunch of my common routes need a real world 270'ish mile range. And also having at least a little bit of "cushion" in range because "things happen". Roads close. Accidents and detours are thing. Chargers break. Weather gets bad. These are all real things, like the video showed.

And for your "proof" video, did you happen to see the ones where the EVs survivied and the gas vehicles didn't? Idling thos gas vehicles take a lot of power and have a tendency to cause carbon monoxide poisoning.

Since you do not indicate that you may have owned an EV, then maybe you should listen to those that have owned them.

Lubbock to Wichita Falls is relatively easy. Just take the few minute hit and go up to Vernon if you don't feel that you can do the 210 miles. FYI, 210 miles is a relatively each jaunt.

And if "it can't be done" then it's time for you to move on.

 

[CTOWannabe]

This is pointless, I don't think even YOU believe your own BS.

Your lack of argument and concession is noted.

 

[CTOWannabe]

And for your "proof" video, did you happen to see the ones where the EVs survivied and the gas vehicles didn't? Idling thos gas vehicles take a lot of power and have a tendency to cause carbon monoxide poisoning.

Since you do not indicate that you may have owned an EV, then maybe you should listen to those that have owned them.

Lubbock to Wichita Falls is relatively easy. Just take the few minute hit and go up to Vernon if you don't feel that you can do the 210 miles. FYI, 210 miles is a relatively each jaunt.

And if "it can't be done" then it's time for you to move on.

The koolaid is high there. They had to turn around. The trucks never did.

210 mils at 85mph does not happen in a cyber truck. And it's 240 to get the the nearest supercharger. Again, little thing called reality keeps getting in the way of your non-arguments.

 

[Crissa]

The koolaid is high there. They had to turn around. The trucks never did.

210 mils at 85mph does not happen in a cyber truck. And it's 240 to get the the nearest supercharger. Again, little thing called reality keeps getting in the way of your non-arguments.

The need to drive 210 miles at 85 mph without stopping is an edge case.

It's only a small number of roads (compared to all roads) that allow this in the first place; and the amount of population near them is also in the minority. Let alone 'needs to drive three hours without stopping'.

-Crissa

 

[CTOWannabe]

The need to drive 210 miles at 85 mph without stopping is an edge case.

It's only a small number of roads (compared to all roads) that allow this in the first place; and the amount of population near them is also in the minority. Let alone 'needs to drive three hours without stopping'.

-Crissa

Not around Texas it's not. Further your straw man is noted and failed. You CAN STOP in that 240 mile trip, and get GAS, snacks, meals, whatever, just not juice at a super charger.

Thanks for playing.

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