FSD is not good enough for me. Sorry

[Sjohnson20]

good thing you didn't use it a couple years ago lol

It's about 100 times better then it used to be

Pretty sure the Robotaxi will be geofenced and have more sensors than the current cars.

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[Crissa]

Pretty sure the Robotaxi will be geofenced and have more sensors than the current cars.

All automation is geofenced. It's just, what is the fence.

-Crissa

 

[spentan]

This is the first time we've seen E2E on the Highway too. Comparing to a 2017 Model X with HW3, and FSD 12.5.4, I've seen some interesting behavior, (especially without it staying at the max speed despite nothing in front), but all is trending in the correct direction. Now that we have this version, it will likely be updated regularly, and it'll get better quicker.

 

[SCTesla]

The level of defensiveness from some here is interesting. Hey, I respect your feedback and don't feel the need to get into it with you. You have the right to be angry at whatever you wish. I understand how much you want to defend Tesla and I think the CT is a great product in general. But every product has some issues. I'm just sharing my experience and I see others doing the same now that I have looked a bit deeper. I hope FSD improves quickly but the gap to actual full self-driving seems to be bigger than I and some others would have expected given the anticipation and the amount of years that have gone by now. I'm sure if you have used FSD for years, you probably have seen leaps of improvement but as a newcomer, it's surprising how much more there is to go. No shade is intended, just honesty.

But what is your point with the thread?

It's not good enough for what? To be installed in your truck? You don't think it has any usable value?

The other poster was simply saying that Tesla doesn't believe FSD is anything more than a L2 system and an incomplete one at that.

The 10.10 RT event is a reveal. They aren't saying FSD is solved (Elon may, but the company isn't). It could be another year before RT is ready or 5 years, but this is the platform, the app, there will be a curated demo on a geofenced route, etc. Tesla hasn't even applied for a driverless permit in California, the state where the most training occurs, because they aren't there, yet.

I've been testing 3 cars (2 since the safety score). It has gotten A LOT better, but it still has a ways to go. I can assure you Tesla knows this, too with V13 on the roadmap, etc. Things like school zones and school busses aren't even addressed because they are still developing the driving, but what it can do compared to anyone else (Waymo, Ford, Chevy) without HD maps is really amazing...just cameras.

Is it possible FSD never becomes L4? Sure. Is that likely...no.

Tesla, the company...not Elon, hasn't and won't commit to when L4 will be ready.

I'm not defensive, but if you feel some are, it's because you are missing the forest for the trees.

I personally find the current iteration (and previous ones) extremely useful, even though I am supervising and correcting. If you don't...don't use it.

 

[Crissa]

Things like school zones and school busses aren't even addressed because they are still developing...

...Yeah, they seem to be waiting for the patents on 'reading a sign text by a computer mounted in a car' to go away.

-Crissa

 

[Deleted member 17810]

You've obviously not been researching or following Tesla's development plan, or either you're desperate to disparage FSD and chose this moment.

Tesla never has said FSD is 'good enough' right now as they are still in early to medium development of it through five (5) autonomy levels. FSD has currently not yet reached Level 4 - but Tesla nor the Tesla community has ever said they have reached Level 5 either.

You are obviously the type who reads one or two sentences of unofficial hype and runs with it - just the type of sheep that the MSM talking heads are looking for actually.

Tesla still has plenty of Disclaimers in their menus for FSD, and also the word "Beta" is still present in some of their menus. Do you even take the time to Read???

Tesla themselves are Also saying 'it's not good enough' because that's why you still have to have the cabin camera with Attention Monitoring feature, and be prepared to Take Over at any time. Tesla has not said anything otherwise yet. Tesla FSD development still has two more levels of autonomy to reach before it becomes 'good enough'. Almost everyone knows that (except you apparently).

Who am I kidding - you probably haven't even read this far in this post reply... SMH

If you have read this far - try doing your research please before posting a bunch of totally irrelevant wannabe hit piece style sound bites next time ...

(This response is mainly directed at the thread Title, and not necessarily all of the original post)​

- ÆCIII

Let's be real musk has blabbered on on about right around the corner fsd greatness for years.

Tesla of course covers their verbiage because they aren't dumb, for legal reasons. Even then, they had to be forced to revise some of it.

 

[jxmpd]

I understand it's the best thing out there for the moment in terms of being close to autonomous

Do you not count Waymo? They already have a functional and safe autonomous taxi network, albeit geofenced.

 

[ÆCIII]

Let's be real musk has blabbered on on about right around the corner fsd greatness for years.

Tesla of course covers their verbiage because they aren't dumb, for legal reasons. Even then, they had to be forced to revise some of it.

Again, if you listen to hype (which people and Elon are allowed to do because they work Very hard), then hype is all you will hear. But if you listen and assimilate critically you'll know that Elon has Never said FSD has reached autonomy Level-4 or Level-5.

He has hyped and pushed motivational, aspirational, inspirational goals and possibilities, and you can look for a glass half-empty or half-full all you want. But it's still up to you to listen carefully for concise language without falsely interpreting words like "probably", or "hope to", or "planning to" as a concrete "we will" or "we absolutely promise to", or "we have done it". Many people make the mistake of exaggerating Elon's exact words because they are not honest critical listeners.

Bottom line is Elon has never said FSD has reached Level-4 or Level-5, regardless of what else he might have said.

Elon does express inspirational milestones and aspirational goals often enough. But that is some of what leaders do. Everything still takes work and looking ahead, not negative reflection on timelines met or not met in the past.

FSD is better than ever and still improving. Elon Musk is owed a lot of credit for his leadership role for FSD.

- ÆCIII

 

[TickTock]

Do you not count Waymo? They already have a functional and safe autonomous taxi network, albeit geofenced.

Waymo isn't fully autonomous either - the remote operator just isn't sitting in the car and guides multiple cars - interacting only at the tricky spots. They are mostly autonomous - just like Tesla's FSD but I think we cannot say it is more autonomous since Waymo doesn't post on the forums every time a remote operator has to take over.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Again, if you listen to hype (which people and Elon are allowed to do because they work Very hard), then hype is all you will hear. But if you listen and assimilate critically you'll know that Elon has Never said FSD has reached autonomy Level-4 or Level-5.

He has hyped and pushed motivational, aspirational, inspirational goals and possibilities, and you can look for a glass half-empty or half-full all you want. But it's still up to you to listen carefully for concise language without falsely interpreting words like "probably", or "hope to", or "planning to" as a concrete "we will" or "we absolutely promise to", or "we have done it". Many people make the mistake of exaggerating Elon's exact words because they are not honest critical listeners.

Bottom line is Elon has never said FSD has reached Level-4 or Level-5, regardless of what else he might have said.

Elon does express inspirational milestones and aspirational goals often enough. But that is some of what leaders do. Everything still takes work and looking ahead, not negative reflection on timelines met or not met in the past.

FSD is better than ever and still improving. Elon Musk is owed a lot of credit for his leadership role for FSD.

- ÆCIII

Well that's the problem with a ceo that just says things ain't it?

"In terms of where Tesla is at this stage, I think we are very close to achieving full self-driving without human supervision. This is only speculation, but I think we'll achieve full self-driving, maybe what you would call four or five, I think later this year."

-July 2023

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Waymo isn't fully autonomous either - the remote operator just isn't sitting in the car and guides multiple cars - interacting only at the tricky spots. They are mostly autonomous - just like Tesla's FSD but I think we cannot say it is more autonomous since Waymo doesn't post on the forums every time a remote operator has to take over.

https://www.candtsolution.com/news_events-detail/the-six-level-of-autonomous-driving-explained/#:~:text=Waymo: Waymo is one of,operating its Waymo One service.

Waymo is Level 4, but it's also local restricted.

 

[ÆCIII]

Well that's the problem with a ceo that just says things ain't it?



-July 2023

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https://www.candtsolution.com/news_events-detail/the-six-level-of-autonomous-driving-explained/#:~:text=Waymo: Waymo is one of,operating its Waymo One service.

Waymo is Level 4, but it's also local restricted.

Comparing FSD to Waymo is like comparing a free flying electric aircraft to an aircraft with a constant miles long extension cord tethered to the ground. Totally pointless.

FSD and Waymo have totally different objectives regardless of how sound bites may reference them similar. Waymo is actually PSD - Partial Self Driving (in limited areas only).

Elon can say things all he wants - there's no problem with that - unless people have impatient expectations without honest actuation of the work involved. Elon has never said FSD was easy.

Elon's comments will not resonate the same with everyone (no leader will). But Elon has inspired both a majority of employees and the public alike - and those are decisions leaders have to make because leaders have to motivate.

- ÆCIII

 

[Spacenoddle]

There is nothing in this world is "enough". this CT FSD build definitely needs more improvement but i drove 40 min through neighborhood road, a very busy state highway, then on the highway pass downtown Seattle in rush hour, on to west Seattle bridge, then in tourist pack local drive to a city park, WITHOUT any intervene. I was really impressed, so was my wife at the back seat. Yes， it turned sharp for both left and right, particularly left, and it changed lanes from left most to right most for exit in less than 0.5 mile from the exit in a heavy traffic.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Comparing FSD to Waymo is like comparing a free flying electric aircraft to an aircraft with a constant miles long extension cord tethered to the ground. Totally pointless.

FSD and Waymo have totally different objectives regardless of how sound bites may reference them similar. Waymo is actually PSD - Partial Self Driving (in limited areas only).

Elon can say things all he wants - there's no problem with that - unless people have impatient expectations without honest actuation of the work involved. Elon has never said FSD was easy.

Elon's comments will not resonate the same with everyone (no leader will). But Elon has inspired both a majority of employees and the public alike - and those are decisions leaders have to make because leaders have to motivate.

- ÆCIII

Things like Level 4 have actual definitions and standards, unlike FSD.

Wayno is a level 4 autonomous driving system.

 

[jxmpd]

Comparing FSD to Waymo is like comparing a free flying electric aircraft to an aircraft with a constant miles long extension cord tethered to the ground. Totally pointless.

Not as long as Tesla is planning to roll out a robotaxi network based on FSD

 

[SCTesla]

...Yeah, they seem to be waiting for the patents on 'reading a sign text by a computer mounted in a car' to go away.

-Crissa

Maybe. They recognize speed limit signs. This has been tested with people putting up fake signs.

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