FSD is not good enough for me. Sorry

[jxmpd]

I'm not writing it off, I think it's comparing apples and oranges and trying to claim one is the better fruit.

I wouldn't go there if Tesla wasn't so focused on robotaxis. Driverless "ride sharing" will obviously be disruptive, and it's interesting to notice how things are panning out in these early stages

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[Darthamerica]

I really want to use FSD so as to contribute to the training set, but I just can't trust this release.

If it's barrelling towards a red light, like it did yesterday, I'm being attentive and can stop it. But on things like cornering, the vehicle is frequently inches from the curb/median at the apex, and it's difficult to discern the clearance before it's too late to take over.

The last straw for me was when it took a U-turn lane, and was hugging the inside so tightly I thought it would scrape the guardrail and cause significant damage.

It seems like the vision AI is rendering the environment with high accuracy, but is less certain about where the vehicle resides within that space. I'll limit my use to the highway until the next update.

The turn radius needs to be adjusted ASAP! Especially during left turns where cross traffic are waiting in their turning lane. The CT will come within inches of the vehicle waiting to turn and there’s no way for us to be sure of clearance. Imaging if during the turn the other car inches forward a bit? Or if it’s a law enforcement vehicle! They may U-Turn and pull you over for unsafe driving.

 

[Darthamerica]

Look, you clearly didn't learn that FSD wasn't above Level 2 autonomy from an authoritative source not-the-internet.

I, on the other hand, see the point of the internet is to learn.

-Crissa

No, you’ve somehow cultivated an online personality here and most owners tolerate the arrogance you display towards real world experience with Tesla and the performance of their products. You should humble yourself a bit so you can actually learn fact from fiction.

Most of us here know full well the various levels of autonomy and where our cars sit on that spectrum. We also know that Tesla has an annoying habit of making promises that it doesn’t deliver on. Autopilot and FSD is one of those promises.

I’m happy they finally released FSD and maybe by the time you get a Tesla, those of us beta testing it now will help you to experience what you think it is. Until then, don’t believe everything you read on the internet.

 

[Darthamerica]

Not good enough…

 

[REM]

There probably are, but not a lot.

A reasonably skillful human can look farther ahead and provisionally plan moves farther ahead (ready to adjust if something changes). I don't think the AI does that. The nav "plans", but the driving just deals with situations, and the farther out is included in the situation, the less often it will have already been encountered.

No, the Ai definitely has an intuition, it just isn't anywhere near what comes natural to us. I have witnessed my car performing evasive maneuvers and slowing down for scenarios like:

"wtf car, why are you- ooh. that car beside me almost took me out. cool. thanks car."

 

[wtibbit]

I understand it's the best thing out there for the moment in terms of being close to autonomous but it certainly isn't good enough yet to drive itself without interventions in urban areas.

I’ve seen the same problems using this early access FSD release daily for four days in mostly urban driving . Quoting from the release notes of us who have this “…early access build… (we) must use additional caution and remain attentive…it does not make (the) vehicle autonomous “.

I’m watching the vehicle’s driving much more closely and attentively than I watch my own. I intervene before it turns into a wrong opening or runs over a median during a left turn or any other misstep. I’ve reported these and every other anomaly that has occurred; I hope we all do this to help drive faster improvements.

I fully expected this version of FSD to perform worse than it has. It is “good enough” to get much, much better. Let’s all help make that happen as soon as possible.

 

[Crissa]

No, you’ve somehow cultivated an online personality here and most owners tolerate the arrogance you display towards real world experience with Tesla and the performance of their products. You should humble yourself a bit so you can actually learn fact from fiction.

Noted, you still reply that your real-world experience of being promised something as a Tesla driver...

...And where were you promised this? Where?

It seems you repeatedly assert a position and an 'arrogance' - what's arrogant about asking you to actually back your statements up?

...And while I'm taking out the trash, you post:

Not good enough…

This is two seconds of shakey-cam. What is it supposed to be?

I can't tell if it's making a mistake. I trust you that it is, because you're the one posting your first-hand knowledge.

But nowhere in that two-second image does it say you were promised flawless performance.

-Crissa

Actually, the start is all that's needed since it's already clearly cutting the corner.

 

[LDRHAWKE]

FSD was downloaded into my Cybertruck Tuesday evening. I used it the first time that evening.. It was working fine until I tried to use my iPhone while driving. It disconnected me. I reconnected and it continued. I have used auto park several times and FSD. This morning it started becoming erratic and missed turns. It added a notice on the screen that the auto park cameras are shut down and may be turned back on next time it is used. FSD and auto park stopped working

Anyone have this problem?

 

[Darthamerica]

Noted, you still reply that your real-world experience of being promised something as a Tesla driver...

...And where were you promised this? Where?

It seems you repeatedly assert a position and an 'arrogance' - what's arrogant about asking you to actually back your statements up?

...And while I'm taking out the trash, you post:

This is two seconds of shakey-cam. What is it supposed to be?

I can't tell if it's making a mistake. I trust you that it is, because you're the one posting your first-hand knowledge.

But nowhere in that two-second image does it say you were promised flawless performance.

-Crissa

Actually, the start is all that's needed since it's already clearly cutting the corner.

There’s an issue with people who spend too much time in forums. Much of what happens in real life isn’t somewhere posted online or in a YouTube video for some random person to consider “proof.” For reasonable people, it should be enough that you have a plurality of owners who still own the vehicles telling you that Tesla made promises that it didn’t or couldn’t keep. Tesla isn’t the first or only car manufacturer to do that. I don’t think it was intentional or skullduggery, most likely they just over committed because Tesla has a very ambitious CEO. If they didn’t, we wouldn’t have this kind of technology yet.

This isn’t a court of law so please refrain from asking people to prove things here. You either believe it and benefit from our experience or not and find out the hard way. Think of this forum like Amazon and the review system. Read the reviews and decide if you want to hit the buy button. It’s common sense.

As far as the video goes, my CT clearly came too close to the other car during the turn. This isn’t about a promise of flawless performance. It’s a REAL WORLD example of the current state of FSD. It’s probably why the OP said “it’s not good enough for me.”

Good news though for you. CT can now be had for ~$80K. Go order one! All of these things we’re posting about here will make much more sense to you if you’re unwilling to take our word for it. You’ll have all the “proof” you need.

 

[gaubong053]

I totally get what OP went through when i bought the FSD package in 2019 after watching the staged FSD video demo. Back then, I tried enabling auto-pilot, hoping it would work like the demo, but it didn’t even work on city roads. But hey, FSD has come a long way since then! It’s a huge improvement.

 

[Crissa]

There’s an issue with people who spend too much time in forums. ... This isn’t a court of law so please refrain from asking people to prove things here.

Right, so we should just take Joe Blow's Bloviating to be proof.

That's the problem you're faced with. You are the guy you're complaining about.

-Crissa

I learned something 'in the real world' tonight:
There's a Hummer EV in the mountains (which was highly likely but I'd not seen one yet) and you can read HUMMER in silhouette on the hood DRL while going to the opposite direction.

 

[dalton108]

I totally get what OP went through when i bought the FSD package in 2019 after watching the staged FSD video demo. Back then, I tried enabling auto-pilot, hoping it would work like the demo, but it didn’t even work on city roads. But hey, FSD has come a long way since then! It’s a huge improvement.

Auto pilot and FSD are not the same product.

Nobody had FSD in 2019 because it wasn’t released even in beta until 2020 October to be exact, so, nearly 2021.

Sigh.

 

[gaubong053]

Auto pilot and FSD are not the same product.

Nobody had FSD in 2019 because it wasn’t released even in beta until 2020 October to be exact, so, nearly 2021.

Sigh.

To be precise, Elon Musk demonstrated the Full Self-Driving (FSD) features in 2019, but it was later revealed to be a staged video. At that time, the only available feature of the FSD package was auto-pilot. Shortly after, the auto-change lane feature was released, followed by the launch of the FSD beta program.

 

[REM]

FSD was downloaded into my Cybertruck Tuesday evening. I used it the first time that evening.. It was working fine until I tried to use my iPhone while driving. It disconnected me. I reconnected and it continued. I have used auto park several times and FSD. This morning it started becoming erratic and missed turns. It added a notice on the screen that the auto park cameras are shut down and may be turned back on next time it is used. FSD and auto park stopped working

Anyone have this problem?

PLEASE stop driving while distracted. Every time someone does this while using FSD we inch closer to more extreme nagging controls and safeguards that severely impair the usefulness of the program.

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