FSD is not good enough for me. Sorry

[LDRHAWKE]

I don’t think you read all of what I wrote. It was not a matter of being distracted. It was the matter of self driving missing turns Several times and requiring.manual take over to put back on track. It was not an issue of it disconnecting because of attentiveness .

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[evnow]

I understand it's the best thing out there for the moment in terms of being close to autonomous but it certainly isn't good enough yet to drive itself without interventions in urban areas.

A human level "error rate" might be something like 1 in 10,000 miles. FSD is more like 20 miles now ... so, its about 500 times less safe than humans. Don't go by hype, look at the (crowd sourced) stats.

But I find FSD very useful as an ADAS (L2) tool Use it all the time - have been using for 3+ years.

Main Dashboard (teslafsdtracker.com)

 

[Spacenoddle]

There probably are, but not a lot.

A reasonably skillful human can look farther ahead and provisionally plan moves farther ahead (ready to adjust if something changes). I don't think the AI does that. The nav "plans", but the driving just deals with situations, and the farther out is included in the situation, the less often it will have already been encountered.

I felt the exact same. FSD doesn't seem can see "far" then planning ahead enough. Even everytime it actually stopped/changed the lane/exited the highway rather smoothly, but human tend to plan way ahead and not depends on the extra driving skill till much later.

 

[Outdoors]

I understand it's the best thing out there for the moment in terms of being close to autonomous but it certainly isn't good enough yet to drive itself without interventions in urban areas. If Robotaxis is the same as FSD 12.5.5, it would be highly risky I think. I love Tesla so I really want it to be good but it cuts corners too sharply and also misses things that it cannot classify such as plastic roadsigns that stick up in the middle of the street (it does see cones and other objects though). As an example of a dangerous scenario, mine made a turn and instead of going on the road, it went onto a local light rail track and followed that path instead which could be disastrous if one happened to have been oncoming.

To the OP. One would think ya should have tried FSD in another car. Pretty expensive purchase to not even know one would like or not.

The threads you have started in the past are quite click baity. This one is part of that group. As I would say. Ya got the video of you driving down the light rail? Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[Darthamerica]

A human level "error rate" might be something like 1 in 10,000 miles. FSD is more like 20 miles now ... so, its about 500 times less safe than humans. Don't go by hype, look at the (crowd sourced) stats.

But I find FSD very useful as an ADAS (L2) tool Use it all the time - have been using for 3+ years.

Main Dashboard (teslafsdtracker.com)

A minor quibble here. Human drivers constantly correct errors during driving. FSD takes on this role, reducing human interventions to once every 20 miles. However, FSD needs to correct its errors smoothly without human intervention.

If FSD makes an error, a human intervention prevents an accident or violation, then FSD (Supervised) has succeeded. The key word is supervised. This is not “Full” Self Driving, as promised. Tesla shouldn’t call these current iterations FSD; they should be called Autopilot (Supervised).

 

[SCTesla]

Look, you clearly didn't learn that FSD wasn't above Level 2 autonomy from an authoritative source not-the-internet.

I, on the other hand, see the point of the internet is to learn.


This is untrue. Any accident within five seconds of disengaging is considered an autopilot or fsd accident. At freeway speed, five seconds you've gone a tenth of a mile, and enough time to have come to a full stop. And for it to disengage and kick you out it will have given you multiple warnings to take over.


There's not, in fact, alot of video of that.

...and no, reddit photos are not evidence. Nor are Teslacam videos, since they do not show which automation it's in nor the error messages. Yeah, that that's a high bar!

But more than half of the incidents independently reported to NHTSA turned out to be 'overrode Autopilot with pedal' or 'weren't in that level automation at all'.

-Crissa

There are absolutely incidentd of FSD getting in accidents. Tesla reports this, users post it. To say otherwise is crazy.

FSD is still in development, being tested on public roads.

I've been a tester for 3 years with 4 different vehicles and have been part of numerous communities of testers. I've experienced countless incidents where FSD would be in accident if not overriden, but Tesla literally tells you that this will happen in the agreement "FSD can do the worst thing at the worst time" is in the agreement.

 

[TheMachinewon]

I understand it's the best thing out there for the moment in terms of being close to autonomous but it certainly isn't good enough yet to drive itself without interventions in urban areas. If Robotaxis is the same as FSD 12.5.5, it would be highly risky I think. I love Tesla so I really want it to be good but it cuts corners too sharply and also misses things that it cannot classify such as plastic roadsigns that stick up in the middle of the street (it does see cones and other objects though). As an example of a dangerous scenario, mine made a turn and instead of going on the road, it went onto a local light rail track and followed that path instead which could be disastrous if one happened to have been oncoming.

Typical for a Gen L to say: Five years ago there was nothing!!! here we are today. And you complain about it.

 

[SteelMyHeart]

I'm gonna revise my opinion of cybertruck fsd upward. Today it did something perfectly my Model Y on 12.3 could not:

It was making a left turn and it went across the first two lanes appropriately and then stopped in the median area perfectly to let two cars go by and then turned in behind these cars appropriately and accelerated smoothly. I'm not sure why I even let it try but it did it flawlessly. The Y on 12.3 would not have attempted it even.

Still needs work but this impressed me.

 

[Wolfgram]

Your post is nonsensical.

Of course it's not good enough. That's why it's supervised.

-Crissa

Whenever I see a thread like this, I am always relieved to read Crissa’s input and feel the relief of common sense and rationality. Thank you.

 

[Darthamerica]

Whenever I see a thread like this, I am always relieved to read Crissa’s input and feel the relief of common sense and rationality. Thank you.

It should not be called Full Self Driving. Not even if you append “(Supervised)” to it. No Tesla is capable of full self driving yet no matter what marketing name is used. Maybe that will change on 10/10 but not yet.

 

[Jaime]

Cool off guys!!! FSD is very good but needs improvement. We know that eventually it will be perfect. We have to wait a few months to see the Results of al the knowledge and experience acquired through t us. I can’t wait to arrive at the AirPort and tell my CT to pick me up. That day will arrived probably sooner than we think.

 

[howie013]

As I've observed (as well as the YouTubers) this particular FSD release is biasing to the left, particularly on left turns. I've actually run over medians and hit barriers.

This seems to be unique to this release, hopefully it will be remedied quickly. Until it is, however, I agree that it's too dangerous for urban use.

Agreed. I have tried to make controlled left hand turns leaving my neighborhood several times and FSD cut way too hard on an angle and would have run over the curb if I had not intervened. I really want to love FSD and I know it will improve but I don’t trust it yet. It brakes way too late and hard approaching stop lights with vehicles in front of me. I will keep using it, knowing that it is going to continue to get better and I will get more comfortable with it.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

I really want to use FSD so as to contribute to the training set, but I just can't trust this release.

If it's barrelling towards a red light, like it did yesterday, I'm being attentive and can stop it. But on things like cornering, the vehicle is frequently inches from the curb/median at the apex, and it's difficult to discern the clearance before it's too late to take over.

The last straw for me was when it took a U-turn lane, and was hugging the inside so tightly I thought it would scrape the guardrail and cause significant damage.

It seems like the vision AI is rendering the environment with high accuracy, but is less certain about where the vehicle resides within that space. I'll limit my use to the highway until the next update.

+1 to this.

I took it around town this morning. Lots of traffic and construction due to a festival going on. It actually did quite good. But it made a couple of critical mistakes in going over the yellow line on turns. I had to take over quickly to avoid an accident. Its definitely not ready for urban driving without extreme supervision. I finally turned it off when I am in town because it was a bit more stressful as I had my foot covering the brake and hands ready to grab the wheel.

On the highway it did fabulous (except in one area where it was getting close to arcing on blind curves). It went around bicyclers and gave them space. It was smooth and awesome.

The one main issue I have on the highway (and on many streets) is it seems to lose the sense of speed via the speed limit and I have to press the accelerator to get it up to the speed limit. It definitely needs some work in that area.

But for long highway trips, this is going to be a real peach. I can't wait for my 300 mile trip later this month to Utah.

 

[wtibbit]

There’s an issue with people who spend too much time in forums. Much of what happens in real life isn’t somewhere posted online or in a YouTube video for some random person to consider “proof.” For reasonable people, it should be enough that you have a plurality of owners who still own the vehicles telling you that Tesla made promises that it didn’t or couldn’t keep. Tesla isn’t the first or only car manufacturer to do that. I don’t think it was intentional or skullduggery, most likely they just over committed because Tesla has a very ambitious CEO. If they didn’t, we wouldn’t have this kind of technology yet.
This isn’t a court of law so please refrain from asking people to prove things here. You either believe it and benefit from our experience or not and find out the hard way. Think of this forum like Amazon and the review system. Read the reviews and decide if you want to hit the buy button. It’s common sense.

As far as the video goes, my CT clearly came too close to the other car during the turn. This isn’t about a promise of flawless performance. It’s a REAL WORLD example of the current state of FSD. It’s probably why the OP said “it’s not good enough for me.”

Good news though for you. CT can now be had for ~$80K. Go order one! All of these things we’re posting about here will make much more sense to you if you’re unwilling to take our word for it. You’ll have all the “proof” you need.

Bye bye. Bye bye, Darth. I’m looking at the bright side, instead of the darth side.

 

[Darthamerica]

Bye bye. Bye bye, Darth. I’m looking at the bright side, instead of the darth side.

There’s no “darth” side. Just objective reality. Like when I posted here months ago that you wouldn’t see Autosteer on CT and no FSD(S) on CT until October.

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