Unsupervised FSD in 2025 for Texas and California says Musk at Robotaxi / Cybercab reveal

[KuMX]

In case you didn't watch it, Musk revealed last night during the Robotaxi Cybercab Robocan reveal event:

"We do expect to start fully autonomous unsupervised FSD in Texas and California next year." Musk said. "That's with the Model 3 and Model Y."

Presumably then, the S, X and Cybertruck won't get unsupervised FSD until 2026 at earliest.

Here's the part where he talks about Unsupervised Full Self Driving FSD --

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[SCTesla]

It will be interesting to see what hardware Unsupervised works on. Someone yelled out "What about HW3" and Elon stuttered and then said let's not get too far into the details. AI5 comes out next year and the rumor is it will start on the MY. Those could be the first to do Unsupervised. I assume it will be a L3 at first, almost treating the driver as a safety driver in select cities, but yes. Still a few years out from Robotaxi services.

 

[REM]

It will be interesting to see what hardware Unsupervised works on. Someone yelled out "What about HW3" and Elon stuttered and then said let's not get too far into the details. AI5 comes out next year and the rumor is it will start on the MY. Those could be the first to do Unsupervised. I assume it will be a L3 at first, almost treating the driver as a safety driver in select cities, but yes. Still a few years out from Robotaxi services.

Funny enough, I think they are way more gratuitous with their timeline this go-round haha. After-all, Waymo already has regulatory approval in several areas. If they were to hold Tesla up, they would have some serious explaining to do. Hopefully it doesn't come to that. And if it does, we could find out something wild like Waymo having a command center where people are policing the card is some sort of assisted fashion (which I think is happening anyway to be perfectly honest).

And considering how far along Juniper already is, I wonder if that platform is already locked into Hardware4?

 

[SCTesla]

Funny enough, I think they are way more gratuitous with their timeline this go-round haha. After-all, Waymo already has regulatory approval in several areas. If they were to hold Tesla up, they would have some serious explaining to do. Hopefully it doesn't come to that. And if it does, we could find out something wild like Waymo having a command center where people are policing the card is some sort of assisted fashion (which I think is happening anyway to be perfectly honest).

And considering how far along Juniper already is, I wonder if that platform is already locked into Hardware4?

Not sure. AI5 is supposed to be in some vehicles in 2025.

Tesla is still pretty far away from Robotaxi. They haven't even applied for approval in CA, they have yet to explain their plans for remote interventions, etc.

It's pretty clear that next year unsupervised will be a L3 type system, but that's still progress. I think many were hoping that 10/10 would be "Hey look what we have"...not an event launching products for 3-5 years down the road.

I posted here like 10 times that Elon said it was a platform reveal, but there were a lot on X thinking we would hear that the Cybercab would be announced in a geofenced area immediately.

 

[getsometom]

Did he say around $25k for the robotaxi?

 

[jonesw67]

at 1:05:05 - he also says.... "And Cybertruck too" for unsupervised

 

[jonesw67]

Did he say around $25k for the robotaxi?

30k

 

[getsometom]

I’m trying to determine if people would buy a robotaxi at $30k compared to pay slightly more for a M3 with FSD.

 

[Tedacules]

Did he say around $25k for the robotaxi?

30k for the Robo Taxi.

 

[SCTesla]

I’m trying to determine if people would buy a robotaxi at $30k compared to pay slightly more for a M3 with FSD.

They would be used for different purposes. M3 is a consumer car, Cybercab is a cab. If you are asking which they would by to make money on RT, it depends if they want dual use.

 

[M0unt41nm4n]

30k for the Robo Taxi.

Which means it will be $60K

 

[CarMan ElecTruck]

T-Sportline will probably make these wheel covers first..

I just hope they look as good

 

[txtravwill]

I wouldn't get my hopes up with Elon and promises/timelines. We were supposed to be driverless years ago, and try taking my Cybertruck the 10 miles right now into town without the required 5+ interventions - you'd be dead within the 15 min journey.

Great ideas and tech to strive for though, just expect it to take a lot longer than promised. I'd say perhaps 10 more years.

 

[CybertruckWraps]

I want to know how insurance is going to work, when FSD ”Unsupervised“ kicks in. More so, when you can buy a taxi or use your own Tesla as a “RoboTaxi”. If the ”Robotaxi” hits a car or kills a pedestrian, who is on the hook for that? I mean, “I wasn’t driving the car officer” is the first thing to come out of my mouth….If Tesla is the creator, should there not be insurance policy provided by Tesla to cover people/property in the event of an accident? Surely, the owners cannot be held liable for something in which they cannot control. Tesla is essentially the driver in those scenarios. Anyone have insight on this?

 

[SCTesla]

I want to know how insurance is going to work, when FSD ”Unsupervised“ kicks in. More so, when you can buy a taxi or use your own Tesla as a “RoboTaxi”. If the ”Robotaxi” hits a car or kills a pedestrian, who is on the hook for that? I mean, “I wasn’t driving the car officer” is the first thing to come out of my mouth….If Tesla is the creator, should there not be insurance policy provided by Tesla to cover people/property in the event of an accident? Surely, the owners cannot be held liable for something in which they cannot control. Tesla is essentially the driver in those scenarios. Anyone have insight on this?

There was some graph released that Tesla is factoring in insurance, but they didn't say anything about RT next year. That's probably 2 years away, minimum, and more time for Tesla insurance to expand.

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