Waymo will beat Tesla FSD because of LIDAR

[dalton108]

What?

Visual interpretation isn't as accurate as lidar.

Telsa thinks they can do it with cameras

They haven't proven it.

Been doing it since 2020, pal.

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[dalton108]

Cameras absolutely can calculate distance accurately; who has convinced you that it doesn't? lol

Literally been happening since cameras were invented. 1867! STEREOPHOTOGRAMMETRY!

 

[cyberos]

au revoir!

To everyone on this thread: I WAS WRONG. So very very wrong

My only question is how? How is the Cybercab and Robovan even possible with comptuer-vision-only UNSUPERVISED FSD?

Elon admitted to initial geofencing (limited to certain cities) but still. It seems impossible based on everything I have learned and seen with my own eyes with the Waymo testing

I'm still reeling from Optimus actually serving drinks at "We, Robot" LA

That and the tempting offer Tesla gave me to borrow any vehicle I want whenever I want. After driving the Model 3 Performance I now realize my Cybertruck AWD is far too slow. If I borrow a Cyberbeast I know (and I know THEY know) that I will not giving back

 

[Crissa]

You have to geofence a taxi service. Like, they have to charge and get cleaned and rescued when a tire breaks or someone runs into them.

Even if they're robots, they're going to need garages to tend to them.

-Crissa

 

[Steve-O]

To everyone on this thread: I WAS WRONG. So very very wrong

My only question is how? How is the Cybercab and Robovan even possible with comptuer-vision-only UNSUPERVISED FSD?

Elon admitted to initial geofencing (limited to certain cities) but still. It seems impossible based on everything I have learned and seen with my own eyes with the Waymo testing

I'm still reeling from Optimus actually serving drinks at "We, Robot" LA

That and the tempting offer Tesla gave me to borrow any vehicle I want whenever I want. After driving the Model 3 Performance I now realize my Cybertruck AWD is far too slow. If I borrow a Cyberbeast I know (and I know THEY know) that I will not giving back

Watch this! Scale and economics are key items for consideration here!

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Yes!



NO! "Generative AI" is a specific term, to mean "creating new art".

Creating a picture from the prompt "make a picture of kangaroos dressed as pirates playing badminton" is "Generative AI". Tesla, OTOH, is using a large data set (vehicle video and telemetry) to create an AI model of Neural Networks. The model is algorithms and probabilities, there's no actual imagery within it.

Tesla is using generative AI to recreate locales ("new art"). Generative AI isn't limited to making flat images. Accounting companies are using generative ai to create models for financing.

Telsa's also actually also using camera data to texture map the 3d models they greate with AI it for internal tests.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Literally been happening since cameras were invented. 1867! STEREOPHOTOGRAMMETRY!

You are aware that Google has been using LIDAR systems for street view for about a decade now?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/googles-street-view-cars-are-now-giant-mobile-3d-scanners/

https://blog.google/products/maps/s...eded to create,like lane markings or potholes.

 

[CyberGus]

Telsa's also actually also using camera data to texture map the 3d models they greate

Texture-mapping is as old as "Wolfenstein 3D" and requires no machine-learning.

Tesla is using generative AI to recreate locales ("new art").

Huh? You mean the on-screen visualization? Well sort of, maybe, but that's strictly for the driver's benefit. Nothing "generative" is driving the vehicle.

Accounting companies are using generative ai to create models for financing.

Citation needed. I stand behind my previous assertion that you are using the term "generative AI" incorrectly.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Texture-mapping is as old as "Wolfenstein 3D" and requires no machine-learning.


Huh? You mean the on-screen visualization? Well sort of, maybe, but that's strictly for the driver's benefit. Nothing "generative" is driving the vehicle.


Citation needed. I stand behind my previous assertion that you are using the term "generative AI" incorrectly.

No, I already said it's not about on screen. They generate 3d map models from images for fsd to travel through .

I assumed you knew what generative ai was.

https://abstracta.us/blog/ai/generative-ai-in-accounting/

 

[igs]

Elon admitted to initial geofencing (limited to certain cities)

That's due to regulatory approval not a limitation imposed by Tesla. CA is the hardest place to drive if it works there anyplace else will be a piece of cake.

 

[dalton108]

You are aware that Google has been using LIDAR systems for street view for about a decade now?

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/googles-street-view-cars-are-now-giant-mobile-3d-scanners/

https://blog.google/products/maps/street-view-15-new-features/#:~:text=Previously, we needed to create,like lane markings or potholes.

Which speaks to the point made in the video that I gave you how?

Fairly certain there was no Google in 1867. Is this what you’ve been doing for the past however many days on this thread? Just ignoring points that are made in your direction?

I’m gonna just go ahead and hard pass on that kind of conversation.

 

[dalton108]

To everyone on this thread: I WAS WRONG. So very very wrong

My only question is how? How is the Cybercab and Robovan even possible with comptuer-vision-only UNSUPERVISED FSD?

Elon admitted to initial geofencing (limited to certain cities) but still. It seems impossible based on everything I have learned and seen with my own eyes with the Waymo testing

I'm still reeling from Optimus actually serving drinks at "We, Robot" LA

That and the tempting offer Tesla gave me to borrow any vehicle I want whenever I want. After driving the Model 3 Performance I now realize my Cybertruck AWD is far too slow. If I borrow a Cyberbeast I know (and I know THEY know) that I will not giving back

Bro, he’s not geofencing, he’s limited to where he can release this based upon regulatory authority. They’re in Texas so he most certainly has discussed it with political leadership there in California is already generally on board they won’t be able to allow it for Waymo and not for Tesla.

I’m just so confused as why people are so obtuse on this. With the exception of my cyber truck all of my Teslas are already unsupervised full self driving when I use ASS! That’s why it’s limited to private spaces the fact that it’s doing it in a limited way doesn’t change the fact that it literally is solving all of the problems that it needs to operate autonomously.

Why does this need to be spelled out? I just don’t understand this level of obliviousness. ??‍

 

[SCTesla]

Bro, he’s not geofencing, he’s limited to where he can release this based upon regulatory authority. They’re in Texas so he most certainly has discussed it with political leadership there in California is already generally on board they won’t be able to allow it for Waymo and not for Tesla.

I’m just so confused as why people are so obtuse on this. With the exception of my cyber truck all of my Teslas are already unsupervised full self driving when I use ASS! That’s why it’s limited to private spaces the fact that it’s doing it in a limited way doesn’t change the fact that it literally is solving all of the problems that it needs to operate autonomously.

Why does this need to be spelled out? I just don’t understand this level of obliviousness. ??‍

ASS isn't even using e2e, it's not comparable to FSD on city streets. ASS is also supervised, you have to monitor your car. You make an agreement that you will monitor your car at all times. They even give you a camera feed with ASS (didn't with the old Summon). That's why all the wrecks on the old summon stack Tesla wasn't at fault.

It is geofencing, but for different reasons than Waymo. They will likely use mapping like they did at WB for more accurate data.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Which speaks to the point made in the video that I gave you how?

fairly certain there was no Google in 1867. Is this what you’ve been doing for the past however many days on this thread just ignoring points that are made in your direction? I’m gonna just go ahead and hard pass on that kind of conversation.

I'll be honest I didn't watch that video. Unless you can time stamp to something specific, it's about Google having been in the game for ages and has mapped/photographed/lidared most places.

I know what Google is doing with street view, and how they're modeling their mapping tech, and how they use different techs and not just visual to get accurate models.

Rather ironic since tesla isn't licensing their data, apparently based on costs.

Again, Tesla/musk, by their own admission is the outlier in saying that they can do better distance guessing through visual and primarily generative AI.

 

[dalton108]

I'll be honest I didn't watch that video. Unless you can time stamp to something specific, it's about Google having been in the game for ages and has mapped/photographed/lidared most places.

I know what Google is doing with street view, and how they're modeling their mapping tech, and how they use different techs and not just visual to get accurate models.

Rather ironic since tesla isn't licensing their data, apparently based on costs.

Again, Tesla/musk, by their own admission is the outlier in saying that they can do better distance guessing through visual and primarily generative AI.

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