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Also, the runaway thermal fire from the battery pack.
I think you're missing the point, thermal lithium burn doesn't cause accidents that's the post effect. Same could be said with fuel.
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I think you're missing the point, thermal lithium burn doesn't cause accidents that's the post effect. Same could be said with fuel.
I'm not.

One passenger was pulled with the limited time.

The intensity of battery fires are a major issue, that's not a controversial thing.
 

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Many of the articles that I read stated that laminated glass is so tough that hammers may not be enough to full break the window to be able to kick it out. That sucks to know knowing I bought two emergency hammers for my CT.

Here is just one article:
The Right Way to Break a Car Window in an Emergency | Lifehacker

That is pretty scary to know. So, what is the solution to get out of the Cybertruck if the doors are damaged beyond being able to open them with the emergency lever?
Just keep a gun in the glove box and set a glove box password, problem solved.
 

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Alcohol. <- Likely
Inexperience and safety features not enabled. <- Likely
FSD enabled and sudden acceleration on a turn causing FSD to shut off and driver wasn't able to take control of the vehicle in time. <- Not the way FSD 12.x works. 100% no FSD was enabled. Happy to bet any amount of money on this.
I've used my FSD 12.x on the freeway, accelerated rapidly and once I went over 85mph the alarm bells went off and if I didn't grab the wheel I was going into the center divider. I was upset about that, FSD should never just turn off like that even if I'm going 100+mph
 

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Accidents like this don't leave me even a little bit concerned about driving the Cybertruck or any Tesla for that matter. High speed collisions with fixed objects should be expected to be catastrophic in any vehicle. Young adults make horrible decisions all of the time and unfortunately the decision (either impaired or otherwise) to speed so severely in the CT was a fatal one. While the CT's power does allow people to make bad decisions much more quickly, most any vehicle will allow an irresponsible driver to reach fatal speeds within seconds.

This wasn't an engineering problem.
 


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I'm not.

One passenger was pulled with the limited time.

The intensity of battery fires are a major issue, that's not a controversial thing.
Right but we're assuming they didn't die on impact. No way to know, lithium burn did not cause the accident which resulted in death. Unfortunately theres no solution for any vehicle that prevents is from catching fire after an accident especially one at those speeds.
 

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Accidents like this don't leave me even a little bit concerned about driving the Cybertruck or any Tesla for that matter. High speed collisions with fixed objects should be expected to be catastrophic in any vehicle. Young adults make horrible decisions all of the time and unfortunately the decision (either impaired or otherwise) to speed so severely in the CT was a fatal one. While the CT's power does allow people to make bad decisions much more quickly, most any vehicle will allow an irresponsible driver to reach fatal speeds within seconds.

This wasn't an engineering problem.
FSD needs some work, I'm happy to keep using and training it, however it's just not ready for the average driver.
 

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FSD needs some work, I'm happy to keep using and training it, however it's just not ready for the average driver.
I'll be shocked if that accident had anything to do with FSD. FSD does indeed make some bad decisions, but with >40,000 annual automobile fatalities in the US alone, I'd argue that the problem lies more often with the average driver.
 

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I'll be shocked if that accident had anything to do with FSD. FSD does indeed make some bad decisions, but with >40,000 annual automobile fatalities in the US alone, I'd argue that the problem lies more often with the average driver.
I don't suggest this, but if you want to experience it, while on a right turn using FSD accelerate past 85 rapidly and be ready to take over. Make sure you're not next to the center divider, leave yourself some room to catch it. Even if you're ready for it it will still drift towards the divider a bit. Don't do this while on a left turn if there's cars around you for obvious reasons.

Tesla needs to remove the HR element from FSD. The Captain should be in control and the FSD should not ever turn off unless the Captain turns it off.
 
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I've used my FSD 12.x on the freeway, accelerated rapidly and once I went over 85mph the alarm bells went off and if I didn't grab the wheel I was going into the center divider. I was upset about that, FSD should never just turn off like that even if I'm going 100+mph
Maybe, just maybe, pay attention to the alerts instead of ignoring them while accelerating into a turn.

You were the one accelerating in your story, not FSD.

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Maybe, just maybe, pay attention to the alerts instead of ignoring them while accelerating into a turn.

You were the one accelerating in your story, not FSD.

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"Accelerated during a turn" because I needed to avoid someone. Required immediate action, FSD instantly cut off at the same time as the alert popped up.
 

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Right but we're assuming they didn't die on impact. No way to know, lithium burn did not cause the accident which resulted in death. Unfortunately theres no solution for any vehicle that prevents is from catching fire after an accident especially one at those speeds.
Teslas are some the safest crash tested vehicles. One occupant was taken out alive. Reason would say the others would be too (restraints assumed).

As the leading mfg of EVs tesla needs to be finding a better solution to these fires.
 

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"Accelerated during a turn" because I needed to avoid someone. Required immediate action, FSD instantly cut off at the same time as the alert popped up.
And it was supposed to guess what you wanted and execute a maneuver it isn't qualified to do?

You overrode it. You did it, not FSD.

As the leading mfg of EVs tesla needs to be finding a better solution to these fires.
What fires? This didn't involve the battery. And BEVs burn less often than ICE vehicles.
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/tesla-cybertruck-crash-piedmont-hampton-road-king-avenue/

You slam a bunch of metal into a wall and yes, sometimes that catches on fire. How do you think flint and steel works? Worse, everyone is carrying electronics which can spark, and you smash something contents that aren't supposed to be exposed are exposed. Don't try this with a lighter or vape in your lap!

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I don't suggest this, but if you want to experience it, while on a right turn using FSD accelerate past 85 rapidly and be ready to take over. Make sure you're not next to the center divider, leave yourself some room to catch it. Even if you're ready for it it will still drift towards the divider a bit. Don't do this while on a left turn if there's cars around you for obvious reasons.

Tesla needs to remove the HR element from FSD. The Captain should be in control and the FSD should not ever turn off unless the Captain turns it off.
You assumed control the instant you accelerated beyond the operating speed range of FSD. FSD didn't accelerate you to that speed, you chose to do so and by exceeding the cutoff, you disengaged FSD. The alternative would be for the vehicle to refuse to accelerate beyond 85 mph while FSD is engaged. It sounds like you learned a valuable lesson, if you're taking control of the vehicle to avoid something, you're taking control of the whole vehicle.

EDIT: I'll also point out, that if your avoidance maneuver had required hitting the brakes instead of the accelerator (which is far more often the correct choice), FSD would have immediately disengaged as well, leaving you similarly responsible for both steering and speed.
 
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Teslas are some the safest crash tested vehicles. One occupant was taken out alive. Reason would say the others would be too (restraints assumed).

As the leading mfg of EVs tesla needs to be finding a better solution to these fires.
You could argue that Tesla has done exactly that by switching to a 48V low voltage system. 48V components require lower current and lower current means less heat and less likelihood of ignition from a short. As long as you're carrying energy, you risk that energy igniting a fire. EVs are already several times less likely to catch fire than an ICE.
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