They used to make fun of us…

[Fugue]

Back on the main topic though, people tell me, or warn me that Cybertrucks usually catch fire. I usually tell em there's a good possibility but Tesla is working on a system to provide fire extinguishers for those instances so a cross country trip won't be interrupted to bad.

They can call it Not A Fire Extinguisher.

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[TyPope]

I always think it's funny when someone has a world-wide conspiracy theory. Like, where do they hold their meetings? If I sell oil on my field for the going market price, am I gouging the consumer?
The price of pretty much everything I buy is determined by supply and demand. My wife demands it and I supply it. Simple.

 

[roadrunner32]

I always think it's funny when someone has a world-wide conspiracy theory. Like, where do they hold their meetings? If I sell oil on my field for the going market price, am I gouging the consumer?
The price of pretty much everything I buy is determined by supply and demand. My wife demands it and I supply it. Simple.

I don’t know about conspiracy to price gouge or set the prices, I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I do like the term conspiracy analyst My analysis focuses on all Tesla negativity So the question is, is the negativity organic or has it been created and manufactured by entities that stand to lose many many billions if Tesla is successful. We do know how effective social media is about influencing polititical opinions. I understand there is a certain amount of of the population that don’t like change and this is a huge change to get used to But it is beyond that now. Historically there was the crushing of GM’s EV1. And in the beginning of Tesla there was Jack Rickard who gave his analysis of how much money big oil could spend toward driving Tesla stock prices down. Jack had a weekly podcast from his shop in St.Louis where he had been retrofitting gas cars with batteries and AC varaiable frequency drives. And there was the movie about the “Tucker” automobile in the early fifties in which Tucker produced a superior vehicle ahead of its time automobile that was destroyed by the auto industry‘s influence on the federal government congress to shut down Tucker
It is so disappointing that the rest of the world is embracing EVs and the US has stopped. My fear that is that Tesla sales in the US will continue To decline and Elon has put his put his efforts in the Robotaxi which will need approval of the federal government (congress) and what entities influence congress.? and we will be stuck here with cars trucks that the general population don’t understand don’t want and even hate. I can’t even talk about how great my car or truck is. They don’t want to hear it. a friend has even called the car evil.

 

[Fugue]

So the question is, is the negativity organic or has it been created and manufactured by entities that stand to lose many many billions if Tesla is successful.

All one needs to do is see how much TSLA has been shorted.

 

[TyPope]

I don’t know about conspiracy to price gouge or set the prices, I’m not a conspiracy theorist but I do like the term conspiracy analyst My analysis focuses on all Tesla negativity So the question is, is the negativity organic or has it been created and manufactured by entities that stand to lose many many billions if Tesla is successful. We do know how effective social media is about influencing polititical opinions. I understand there is a certain amount of of the population that don’t like change and this is a huge change to get used to But it is beyond that now. Historically there was the crushing of GM’s EV1. And in the beginning of Tesla there was Jack Rickard who gave his analysis of how much money big oil could spend toward driving Tesla stock prices down. Jack had a weekly podcast from his shop in St.Louis where he had been retrofitting gas cars with batteries and AC varaiable frequency drives. And there was the movie about the “Tucker” automobile in the early fifties in which Tucker produced a superior vehicle ahead of its time automobile that was destroyed by the auto industry‘s influence on the federal government congress to shut down Tucker
It is so disappointing that the rest of the world is embracing EVs and the US has stopped. My fear that is that Tesla sales in the US will continue To decline and Elon has put his put his efforts in the Robotaxi which will need approval of the federal government (congress) and what entities influence congress.? and we will be stuck here with cars trucks that the general population don’t understand don’t want and even hate. I can’t even talk about how great my car or truck is. They don’t want to hear it. a friend has even called the car evil.

The sad thing is that there are a lot of people who think that "If we want gas cars, we can force EVs out." What they are really doing is making American manufacturers less competitive in the world market and you'll see prices start going up as they lose their huge economies of scale.

 

[CyberGus]

is the negativity organic or has it been created and manufactured

It's a crapshoot to make a random viewpoint "go viral". Those wishing to "astroturf" and bend public opinion will attach themselves to an existing movement and stoke the fires of discontent.

 

[cda05]

Still make fun of us...but (I) we didn't buy it to make others happy. Haters will always hate.

 

[Fugue]

Still make fun of us...but (I) we didn't buy it to make others happy. Haters will always hate.

Yup. There's been a lot of sentiment change of the Cybertruck and Elon between 2019 and now. Don't care. Love this truck.

 

[GuyV]

You have been making quite a few statements about the oil industry that could have only come from meetings within the big oil industry meetings. Do you have any meeting minutes or directives from within any of the oil corporations to corroborate your claims?

LOL, watch what they do, not what they say. What they have done is spend billions buying politicians. Where have those billions come from? Consumers' pockets. Are you imaging that influence was ever meant to lower prices, lower profits?

 

[GuyV]

I always think it's funny when someone has a world-wide conspiracy theory. Like, where do they hold their meetings? If I sell oil on my field for the going market price, am I gouging the consumer?
The price of pretty much everything I buy is determined by supply and demand. My wife demands it and I supply it. Simple.

It is if you rig the market.

 

[GuyV]

Our system already puts the power in the hands of the people. The power to elect our representatives and the power to provide for ourselves and families any way we see fit, as long as we don't violate the laws our representatives have enacted.



The side I've chosen is the one that incentivizes people to create plentiful goods and services at the lowest cost possible. That's how you get ahead in our system, and that's why we have a relatively high standard of living.

Taking from the wealthy to give to people who haven't figured out how to make themselves useful to others disincentivizes productivity, the source of all of our wealth. Worse, destroying corporations that are operating within the law destroys productivity. Remember, they are large and profitable because they are providing goods and services their customers are demanding, and they are doing it better than everyone else or they wouldn't be getting so much business to be profitable in the first place.

The system isn't perfect, the regulation of all this economic activity constantly needs to be adjusted. The biggest flaws are the bad actors who break the rules in order to create wealth without providing value. For example, people who defraud government programs, people who provide for their families by stealing other peoples things, people who sell goods or services that are not what they are claimed to be, etc.

There are many problems with the system, highly successful individuals and corporations are not a problem, they are a feature, unless that wealth was ill-gotten. That's why we have laws and regulations. You can chose not to do business with just about any private business (and you can chose which business you start and operate, or not), the same cannot be said about government. You generally have no choice but to do business with the government elected, not by you, but by all Americans (or by the people of whatever country you live in). That's why it's important to keep government only as small as it needs to be, because a smaller government subjects individuals to less coercion (which equals more freedom to provide for you and your family).

The biggest problem lies with the number of people who are able, but unwilling, to be productive. These people either create schemes to defraud individuals, groups or even the government, while providing nothing useful in return. The easier it is to do that, and get away with it, the poorer everyone else becomes. The solution is never to take more from the wealthy and give it to the less productive because that removes the incentive to be productive in the first place. I'm all for helping those in need but it has to be done in a manner that doesn't incentivize non-productivity.

Taking down large corporations that are following the laws? That's just crazy talk.

" the regulation of all this economic activity constantly needs to be adjusted. " Somethin we can agree on. The problem is the billionaires have bought the system. I am never giving up on "government of the people, by the people and for the people"

 

[HaulingAss]

It is so disappointing that the rest of the world is embracing EVs and the US has stopped. My fear that is that Tesla sales in the US will continue To decline and Elon has put his put his efforts in the Robotaxi which will need approval of the federal government (congress) and what entities influence congress.? and we will be stuck here with cars trucks that the general population don’t understand don’t want and even hate. I can’t even talk about how great my car or truck is. They don’t want to hear it. a friend has even called the car evil.

That's just noise to a bigger truth:

You can't stop an idea whose time has come.

 

[devdrone6]

I am never giving up on "government of the people, by the people and for the people"

It already is this, may not be perfect but it is this.

 

[Eka]

LOL, watch what they do, not what they say. What they have done is spend billions buying politicians. Where have those billions come from? Consumers' pockets. Are you imaging that influence was ever meant to lower prices, lower profits?

Citizens United and other SCOTUS decisions allowed them to spend the money to buy politicians. In my youth it used to be illegal. Apparently the SCOTUS now considers corporations and money are people.

It already is this, may not be perfect but it is this.

Well, and how do people form their opinions? The media. Control the media, you control the opinions people see and talk about. This is why who controls social media and what messages they promote and suppress are extremely important.

 

[GuyV]

It already is this, may not be perfect but it is this.

90% of the return on productivity over the last 45+ years have gone to the very wealthy. It began with the trickle-down deceit of the Reagan tax cuts and has only gotten worse in recent years. We now have the worst income inequality since the current administration's belove Gilded Age. That's not "for the people", that's for the few very rich and powerful at the top.

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