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No, there’s not. Not for a while.

You’re making my point. Rush hour and on highways are relatively easy for FSD. In fact that’s where most FSD mile data comes from. Human driven crash data comes from a wider range and more difficult conditions than FSD is capable of handling for now. It’s not an Apples to Apples comparison. But...

That’s still not enough. To study this properly, it’s necessary to take a much not nuanced look at the data. For example, what kind of ADAS? Where, on the city streets of highway? What are the demographics and geography of the drivers? At what speeds? What’s the usage rate of ADAS in vehicles...

I love Tesla too… but don’t mistake marketing for proof. Science doesn’t work that way.

This is only a hypothesis. ADAS and FSD are still too low volume to make this claim with any certainty.

I think people are missing the point. If FSD works on a 2 seat Robotaxi, it’s going to work on a 7 seat Model Y. Those 10-15% of people in the taxi market needing more passenger room will have options other than just Robotaxi.

Waymo is geofenced, hard coded, has a steering wheel and pedals. The devil is in the details. Regulatory clearance is not going to be easy.

Is that PPF or Vinyl?

Is that PPF or Vinyl?

I’m afraid that’s not how data science works. Tesla’s do not have the volumes or diversity of use cases needed to say that Yet. Still a way to go.

Operating a moving vehicle is complicated, even for FSD. You’ll notice recently all the hype about Ukraine getting F-16s. A week later 1 crashed during a mission. Are Ukrainians bad pilots? No. But learning a new platform takes time whether that’s an F-16, Model 3, or even whatever the next...

I respect your opinion that it‘s already safer, but the data that’s been shown to us is partial at best. It‘s necessary to look much more granularly that just saying FSD + Human has X number of accidents vs Human Alone has Y and X < Y therefore FSD + Human = safer. That would be true if FSD was...

I’m not saying it doesn’t require an attentive driver. I am saying that it’s not always going to have an attentive driver. And even when it does, it will still make mistakes that even the attentive driver can’t get out of. I am saying that this is necessary to make the improvements that are...

You see what you said? “With an attentive driver.” And even when attentive, there is no way any human driver can evaluate some of the situations and edge cases FSD(S) can put you in fast enough to avoid an accident. That’s why we are seeing instances of it running traffic signals, hitting curbs...

This is why the term “safer” used for FSD(S) is misleading. You can’t use all-inclusive miles because the data used to calculate FSD(S) usage is heavily skewed towards highway mileage. It’s also biased towards certain types of drivers. In those cases, yes, it’s safer. But on city streets, for...

Disengagements have nothing to do with it being supervised or not. There will be disengagements even when unsupervised. So my argument is not circular. My argument is that it’s not accurate to make a broad statement asserting that FSD Supervised is safer than a human alone. And if you doubt...

It’s not what I believe, I know that FSD(S) requires human supervision for a reason. And for that reason, you can’t make a direct comparison and assert that it’s safer. Well you can, but I assure you regulators won’t. FSD(S) is indeed “safer” under ideal circumstances such as on the HWY/FWY in...

Ok then I 100% respectfully disagree with you that it’s “far safer.” That’s a marketing claim with cherry picked statistics. I use it everyday and on every single drive I’ve experienced something from FSD(S) that I’d consider unsafe. Not some drives, every drive! But I agree that it’s safe...

I think you may be misunderstanding me. I am not saying FSD is more dangerous than humans or more likely to cause a fatality. My experience tells me that it is close to as safe as human drivers. However, it’s not perfect and an inevitability of that is going to be fatalities. That might be...

Just left the parking lot at SoFi Stadium. FSD(S) is definitely not good enough yet for any autonomous use case. Numerous disengagements navigating through the parking lot and on the surface streets just outside the venue. The SW just couldn’t handle the unpredictable driving from people...