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Yes. That is correct. Yet another incentive being conferred upon everyone BUT those people who already paid a premium for a FS.
I have a NFS with FSD purchased outright (some seem to think I got screwed over worse than you ?‍♂). Guess what? We still benefit from this. More Cybertruckers putting in more FSD miles means ours get better faster. We want our CTs to catch up to the sexy cars, don’t we? This is how we get there.
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I have a NFS with FSD purchased outright (some seem to think I got screwed over worse than you ?‍♂). Guess what? We still benefit from this. More Cybertruckers putting in more FSD miles means ours get better faster. We want our CTs to catch up to the sexy cars, don’t we? This is how we get there.
Makes good sense. That does actually make me feel better about the whole thing so thank you. Our cars will catch up. No doubt.
That said, just because there are people who got screwed over worse than me and worse than both of us combined doesn’t make any of these business practices ok in my opinion.
That’s like a battered woman saying well…at least I don’t have any fractures…and there are definitely people who have it worse than me.
Good attitude but not necessarily helpful or true.
I’m catching a lot of flack here today for being critical of Tesla which is really pretty ironic.
my friends and relatives often call me a Tesla apologist. Guess it’s relative to the company you keep.
 
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Makes good sense. That does actually make me feel better about the whole thing so thank you. Our cars will catch up. No doubt.
That said, just because there are people who got screwed over worse than me and worse than both of us combined doesn’t make any of these business practices ok in my opinion.
That’s like a battered woman saying well…at least I don’t have any fractures…and there are definitely people who have it worse than me.
Good attitude but not necessarily helpful or true.
Plus, just remember they only get it for a year, then they’re back to monthly payments while we enjoy the fruits of their labor (hopefully unsupervised by then, at which point the price of FSD will be back to $15K or more. It’s been that high in the past - guess how those buyers felt when it dropped to $12K, then $8K)
 
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Plus, just remember they only get it for a year, then they’re back to monthly payments while we enjoy the fruits of their labor (hopefully unsupervised by then, at which point the price of FSD will be back to $15K or more. It’s been that high in the past - guess how those buyers felt when it dropped to $12K, then $8K)
You’re right but what they did to those people was not ok either. I still buy Tesla products knowing full well that they do this kind of stuff because I believe in them but it definitely gives me pause about who I’m doing business with and it also helps me understand some of the antagonism towards the brand. It’s more than just people hating Elon for being himself. That’s an oversimplification.
 

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Got the same. Did the subscribe and immediately cancelled so assume you basically have to pay for a month? Says “In order to qualify for the 1-year trial, you will need to subscribe to Full Self-Driving (Supervised) by June 6, 2025, using the link below. You can cancel your subscription at any time, and you will still receive the 1-year trial.”
No, when you subscribe, you are not charged until starting in May 2026. No need to immediately cancel.
 


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No, when you subscribe, you are not charged until starting in May 2026. No need to immediately cancel.
Well, since it said "Cancel at any time", I did so I won't forget to do it in May of 2026. I don't want to pay for it right now, and would rather have to remember to turn it back on than cancel it then.
 

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Yes. That is correct. Yet another incentive being given to everyone BUT those people who already paid a premium for a FS.
Because on non-FS you usually have to pay for FSD.
 

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I got it too, bought mine on 11 Oct and got screwed out of my Model 3 transfer for FSD because I ordered before the date but picked up my CT during the offer. this is nice for a year. Otherwise only subscribe when I take trips.
 

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Zero transparency on pricing? It’s on the website at any given time, clear as day.

Private deals? LOL! Elon himself pays MSRP for his personal cars. There’s no family and friends discount, no under the table deals. The price is the price. Prove me wrong, I invite you to try.

Public deals/offers are shifting daily? Hey you got one right! They sure are. If there’s a deal you want to take, take it. If you don’t like the current offer, feel free to wait. You might get a sweet deal or you might regret it.
Updated for the subsequent post challenging my assertions, saying there aren’t enough specifics.

Wrong. There is employee pricing on merchandise, travel, other services and they get vehicles with every possible referral and finance deal, so Elon would never pay full price. Except he doesn’t own a Tesla. They do receive discounts on any Tesla merchandise, travel, other services and discounts on vehicles through the AT&T signature program.

In terms of general transparency, many people get referral codes, but Tesla is constantly tweaking which specific vehicles qualify - two identical CTs may or may not qualify for the $1k off. And you are NOT offered the discount code if you are a new buyer - you have to know the game enough to request it. Transparent? No, it’s a newbie trap - just like normal car dealerships, if you’re in the know, you get a better deal than someone with less information. Repeat buyer discount? Also a trap - you have to ask or it doesn’t happen.

Last month the new MY did not qualify for either the referral codes nor the repeat buyer discount, today it does. Inventory discounts are ALL over the place, with no connection to MSRP, and are wildly different for identical models, even at the same sales location. You can see this simply by looking at available inventory on Tesla’s website.

MSRP simply does not apply on stale inventory, or which there is now plenty, even for newly released models like the ‘26 MY. On top of that, Tesla only posts a fraction of the currently available inventory on their website, basically just enough per region to cover 100% of what they sell. Proof? There are only a few cybertrucks currently showing per location, yet there are at least two dozen stale inventory trucks sitting at each of the five sales centers I’ve visited in the past few weeks. This is also confirmed in inventory tracking reports showing over 10,000 CTs in inventory today despite only hundreds showing on the sales webpage.

Unlike when I was an initial investor and purchaser 13 year ago, it is now no longer possible to know “the deal” when purchasing a new Tesla. Can you ‘order’ a Tesla using the apps or website and get a consistent quote? Mostly yes, but not always. And you will NOT automatically get the available discounts for referral or repeat buyer. Can you go to a sales center and get a better deal? Every. Single. Time. I have done it twice in the past two months, saving at least $1k on each new vehicle. Transparent? Only if you’re a chump.
 
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Because on non-FS you usually have to pay for FSD.
Nope. Not anymore. I went without FSD, intending to sign up monthly. Now I have it free through at least June 2026, gratis.
 


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Wrong. There is employee pricing on merchandise, travel, other services and they get vehicles with every possible referral and finance deal, so Elon would never pay full price. Except he doesn’t own a Tesla. They do receive discounts on any Tesla merchandise, travel, other services and discounts on vehicles through the AT&T signature program.

In terms of general transparency, many people get referral codes, but Tesla is constantly tweaking which specific vehicles qualify - two identical CTs may or may not qualify for the $1k off. And you are NOT offered the discount code if you are a new buyer - you have to know the game enough to request it. Transparent? No, newbie a trap. Repeat buyer discount? Also a trap - you have to ask or it doesn’t happen.

Last month the new MY did not qualify for either the referral codes nor the repeat buyer discount, today it does. Inventory discounts are ALL over the place, with no connection to MSRP, and are wildly different for identical models, even at the same sales location. MSRP simply does not apply on stale inventory, or which there is now plenty, even for newly released models like the ‘26 MY.


Unlike when I was an initial investor and purchaser 13 year ago, it is now no longer possible to know “the deal” when purchasing a new Tesla. Can you ‘order’ a Tesla using the apps or website and get a consistent quote? Mostly yes, but not always. And you will NOT automatically get the available discounts for referral or repeat buyer. Can you go to a sales center and get a better deal? Every. Single. Time. I have done it twice in the past two months, saving at least $1k on each new vehicle. Transparent? Only if you’re a chump.
Lots of words with no examples or sources to back it up
 

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You’re right but what they did to those people was not ok either. I still buy Tesla products knowing full well that they do this kind of stuff because I believe in them but it definitely gives me pause about who I’m doing business with and it also helps me understand some of the antagonism towards the brand. It’s more than just people hating Elon for being himself. That’s an oversimplification.
I know what you’re saying, and I feel the same way to some extent, but at the same time companies can raise or lower their prices whenever they want if they think it will benefit their mission. This is NOT my first Tesla and I’ve been a victim of this many times, sometimes in small ways, sometimes in big ways. It’s just business so I don’t take it personally.

At the end of the day, I have - bar none - the greatest motor vehicle to have ever graced planet earth and it can drive itself. I can only be so upset.
 

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Dude you literally just said that Tesla isn’t any different than traditional dealerships with respect to leftovers and then said don’t measure them against traditional dealerships. There is now zero transparency on CT pricing. Everyone is getting a different private deal and the public deals/offers are shifting daily. Tesla is also intentionally hiding inventory.
I think that will hurt sales even more. Almost all cars now come with lane keeping. Putting it behind an $8k pay wall that isnt allowed in Europe or the UK for the foreseeable future seems like a dumb move when demand is at an all time low.

You can get a new MY in 1 week most places in the world. Q2 numbers from registration, overall, look weaker than Q1. Tesla is hurting. They weren't profitable last Q from vehicle sales alone.
Autosteer/Autopilot was a bridge to FSD. I understand the near term outlook, but meeting an individual quarter doesn't seem to affect long term decision making, at least at Tesla. I could see the options being "lane keep" as a base feature, which is how most manufactures do it, and possibly a tiered FSD approach (Supervised and Unsupervised). Supervised being a low cost subscription.
 

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Wrong. There is employee pricing on merchandise, travel, other services and they get vehicles with every possible referral and finance deal, so Elon would never pay full price. Except he doesn’t own a Tesla. They do receive discounts on any Tesla merchandise, travel, other services and discounts on vehicles through the AT&T signature program.

In terms of general transparency, many people get referral codes, but Tesla is constantly tweaking which specific vehicles qualify - two identical CTs may or may not qualify for the $1k off. And you are NOT offered the discount code if you are a new buyer - you have to know the game enough to request it. Transparent? No, newbie a trap. Repeat buyer discount? Also a trap - you have to ask or it doesn’t happen.

Last month the new MY did not qualify for either the referral codes nor the repeat buyer discount, today it does. Inventory discounts are ALL over the place, with no connection to MSRP, and are wildly different for identical models, even at the same sales location. MSRP simply does not apply on stale inventory, or which there is now plenty, even for newly released models like the ‘26 MY.


Unlike when I was an initial investor and purchaser 13 year ago, it is now no longer possible to know “the deal” when purchasing a new Tesla. Can you ‘order’ a Tesla using the apps or website and get a consistent quote? Mostly yes, but not always. And you will NOT automatically get the available discounts for referral or repeat buyer. Can you go to a sales center and get a better deal? Every. Single. Time. I have done it twice in the past two months, saving at least $1k on each new vehicle. Transparent? Only if you’re a chump.
This is transparent vs. "lets go talk to my finance guy and see what we can work out".
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