Detroit Three, UAW in talks with White House to set EV sales goals

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Washington — The Detroit automakers and the United Auto Workers are in discussions with officials in the Biden White House as it aims to broker a voluntary agreement to dramatically increase electric vehicle sales over the next decade.

The White House is seeking to get General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co., Stellantis NV and the union to commit to 40% to 50% electrified vehicle sales by 2030, according to three sources with direct knowledge of the negotiations.

The group has not agreed upon a firm target, the sources said, though the administration hopes to announce the goal alongside updated emissions and mileage standards early next week. UAW spokesman Brian Rothenberg said: "We're still in discussions, but there's no agreement at all."

The administration is keen to project a unified front, with the industry supporting its goals to ramp up electrification and reach carbon neutrality economy-wide by 2050. How the industry acts in the coming years — and whether consumers take up the new electrified vehicles — will determine whether the administration reaches those goals, as the transportation sector is still the largest emitter of greenhouse gases in the country.

The discussions come as some of the world's leading governments move aggressively to phase out gas- and diesel-powered vehicles. The European Union has proposed banning the sale of gas engines by 2035. In the United States, California and Massachusetts have committed to the same goal, and 11 other states have considered following suit.

President Joe Biden has resisted calls from environmentalists and the governors of 12 U.S. states to implement a similar policy federally. Currently, only around 2% of all new vehicle sales in the United States are electric vehicles.

Biden's original $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan called for $174 billion to "win" the global electric vehicle market, which is currently dominated by Europe and China. Some of that funding, including $15 billion for charging stations and electric buses, is included in the bipartisan plan being drafted in Congress.

The rest, EV advocates hope, will be included in a partisan reconciliation bill that Democrats hope to pass with their narrow majorities alongside the bipartisan package. The negotiations over both packages remain in flux.

But the end result of those proposals will be fundamental to the industry's ability to sign on publicly to an electrified vehicle sales goal, sources said. Funding for charging stations, grants for retooling factories and tax credits to make EVs more affordable will make it easier for automakers to reach the goal, as "range anxiety" and vehicle cost remain the biggest barriers to adoption among consumers.

The White House did not respond to a request for comment on the discussions. A spokesperson for GM said they do not have an agreement to announce, a spokesperson for Ford noted the company's pre-existing goal of 40% global EV sales by 2030, and a spokesperson for Stellantis declined to comment.

Rush to green
Right now, there are only around 43,000 public electric vehicle charging stations in the U.S., according to the Department of Energy. Just over 5,000 of those are DC Fast chargers, which can charge an EV to 80% in less than an hour and most closely mirror the experience of fueling up at a gas station (though that speed isn't yet possible with existing technology).

Each of the automakers already has made moves to significantly ramp up EV production in the coming years with goals that are close to what the White House is seeking.

Ford has said it expects 40% of its global sales to be electric vehicles by 2030 and said on a recent earnings call that consumer demand for EVs has outpaced expectation. GM aims to have all of its new light-duty vehicles be zero emission by 2035. Stellantis announced recently it is targeting over 40% of sales in the U.S. to be electrified by 2030.

The UAW has said it supports electrification, and it has a close ally in the administration, which is pushing for protections for unions in the transition. However, union leaders have urged caution on the rush to EVs, raising concerns about consumer adoption and potential job losses under the new technology.

Environmental groups, which are seeking more stringent standards that would push the industry to electric, and labor leaders have been in discussions for months on how to shape policy that works for them both.

"It’s not the environment or jobs, it’s both," said Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Dearborn, who first organized the discussions. "Everybody’s working very hard to keep the industry at the forefront of the global market, to protect jobs and to transition to cleaner technology."

New standards ahead
The administration hopes to announce the goal alongside new mileage and emissions standards that are expected to be released early next week, sources said. Former President Donald Trump loosened standards while in office, and industry, labor and environmental leaders all expected the Biden administration to reverse course, though how far the new rules would go has remained speculative.

The Associated Press reported on Tuesday that those standards would implement the California framework, which increases mileage standards and cuts emissions by 3.7% annually, beginning with model year 2023. In 2025, the requirements would increase to the Obama standards of 5% annual increases in efficiency and an even higher increase beginning in 2026.

However, not all sources agreed that's what's coming. Most automakers prefer the California standards, while environmental groups have pushed for standards beyond the Obama-era requirements in order to make up for added emissions under the Trump administration, when mileage requirements were reduced to 1.5% increases annually.

The auto industry was divided over emissions standards under Trump, who banned California from setting its own emissions standards, which it has done for decades under an exemption in the Clean Air Act.

Five companies — Ford, Volkswagen AG, BMW AG, Honda Motor Co. and Volvo Cars Ltd. — sided with California and agreed to the state's increased standards. GM, Stellantis (then Fiat Chrysler NV), Toyota Motor Corp. and other smaller automakers sided with the Trump administration, though all three dropped out of the suit after Biden was elected.


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Big 2.5... I mean maybe they don't want to have their feelings hurt so we have to say that they are a whole unit but no. Stellantis neé Fiat Chrysler Automobiles neé Chrysler Group neé DaimlerChrysler AG neé Chrysler (1998). Stellantis is based in the Netherlands, they have Fiat, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Maserati, Citroen, Puegot, and others. In total, they are only the sixth largest car manufacturer. Hard for me to think of them as part of Detroit or even a "Big" one.

I'm curious what the unions will say. There's less parts, less manufacturing, less need for people. I think the Big 2.5 will move the way the profits take them but the unions will ride the line between party pooper and Karen.
 

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They can throw all the funding that want at it but batteries, chips and the needed materials are not going to pop up out of nowhere. EV's seem to be made as fast as those aforementioned items can be gathered or produced and sold nearly instantly or people are put on a waiting list.

I have no clue how the administration can get anywhere with this policy if we can't mine the needed materials. Shipping it in is counterintuitive as it creates the same problems they want to avoid but just puts it on another country....

While I am at it. Does anyone else believe the funding for infrastructure for billions of dollars is sort of a waste when Elon is already privately investing in those same efforts and is light years ahead of whatever the government thinks it can provide? They should just fund the Starlink efforts if they want it faster though I doubt he could launch them faster than they already are being deployed...
 

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While I am at it. Does anyone else believe the funding for infrastructure for billions of dollars is sort of a waste when Elon is already privately investing in those same efforts and...
...Elon is spending all he can, and the economy is thousands of times larger than he could possibly spend. We still need more charging points than he can afford, more trains, more so many things to make our economy hum that he doesn't even touch, like support systems from water to child care.

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40% EV's by 2030? Seems lowball to me.

Biden is trying to protect the unions.
 
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like support systems from water to child care.

Water is crucial. Individuals can take care of their own child care as they have been doing since forever. The economy has hummed along in the past and can keep doing so without spending billions subsidizing child care.

But it takes a collective effort to manage water systems.

'Megadrought' threatens Lake Powell, Glen Canyon Dam
Lake Powell and the Glen Canyon Dam are integral to the water and power systems in the Western United States, and the deep drought in the region has caused the water to reach record low levels. Lindsey Reiser reports from the shores of the lake near the Arizona/Utah border.
https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/-megadrought-threatens-lake-powell-glen-canyon-dam-117661253721

40 million Americans depend on two reservoirs that just hit record lows
The Colorado River's Lake Powell and Lake Mead reservoirs haven't been this low since they were first filled up.
https://www.popsci.com/science/lake-mead-lake-powell-drought/

Utah's Great Salt Lake Is Officially at Its Lowest Point in Recorded History
The lake's desperate situation is due to a combination of climate change, drought, and overuse by humans.
https://gizmodo.com/utahs-great-salt-lake-is-officially-at-its-lowest-point-1847370873
 
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That's not Biden's number. That's Stellantis.

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Yes it is Biden's number.

Biden seeking pledge for 40% of U.S. sales to be EVs by 2030
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Yes it is Biden's number.

Biden seeking pledge for 40% of U.S. sales to be EVs by 2030
UAW, GM say there is no agreement yet, negotiations continue
It doesn't provide any source for that in the text of the article. Hence, I don't believe it came from the administration.

Water is crucial. Individuals can take car of their own child care as they have been doing since forever.
That's not how childcare has ever worked. Individuals caring for children is a modern and rather stupid idea to put 24-hour 7-day-a-week work upon a single person.

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It doesn't provide any source for that in the text of the article. Hence, I don't believe it came from the administration.
WASHINGTON -- The White House is negotiating to have automakers pledge that 40 percent or more of the vehicles they sell in the U.S. will be electric by the end of the decade, something the companies say will require the government to help promote the use of the cars.

UAW spokesman Brian Rothenberg said the union is in discussions with the White House and automakers about a sales target, but he said an agreement has not been reached. General Motors also said no agreement has been reached.
 
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Water is crucial. Individuals can take care of their own child care as they have been doing since forever. The economy has hummed along in the past and can keep doing so without spending billions subsidizing child care.

But it takes a collective effort to manage water systems.

'Megadrought' threatens Lake Powell, Glen Canyon Dam
Lake Powell and the Glen Canyon Dam are integral to the water and power systems in the Western United States, and the deep drought in the region has caused the water to reach record low levels. Lindsey Reiser reports from the shores of the lake near the Arizona/Utah border.
https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/-megadrought-threatens-lake-powell-glen-canyon-dam-117661253721

40 million Americans depend on two reservoirs that just hit record lows
The Colorado River's Lake Powell and Lake Mead reservoirs haven't been this low since they were first filled up.
https://www.popsci.com/science/lake-mead-lake-powell-drought/

Utah's Great Salt Lake Is Officially at Its Lowest Point in Recorded History
The lake's desperate situation is due to a combination of climate change, drought, and overuse by humans.
https://gizmodo.com/utahs-great-salt-lake-is-officially-at-its-lowest-point-1847370873

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Water is crucial. Individuals can take care of their own child care as they have been doing since forever. The economy has hummed along in the past and can keep doing so without spending billions subsidizing child care.

But it takes a collective effort to manage water systems.

'Megadrought' threatens Lake Powell, Glen Canyon Dam
Lake Powell and the Glen Canyon Dam are integral to the water and power systems in the Western United States, and the deep drought in the region has caused the water to reach record low levels. Lindsey Reiser reports from the shores of the lake near the Arizona/Utah border.
https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/-megadrought-threatens-lake-powell-glen-canyon-dam-117661253721

40 million Americans depend on two reservoirs that just hit record lows
The Colorado River's Lake Powell and Lake Mead reservoirs haven't been this low since they were first filled up.
https://www.popsci.com/science/lake-mead-lake-powell-drought/

Utah's Great Salt Lake Is Officially at Its Lowest Point in Recorded History
The lake's desperate situation is due to a combination of climate change, drought, and overuse by humans.
https://gizmodo.com/utahs-great-salt-lake-is-officially-at-its-lowest-point-1847370873
Meanwhile, we have more water in the SouthEast than we know what to do with. Graveyards have floating coffins. Granny keeps popping up unannounced.
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