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I got the $7500. ? Claimed it under my s-corp… got the $7500 because there is no income or MSRP on EV trucks for businesses. Passed straight through as a credit to my personals on my K1.

It’s sad you have to use loop holes to get it… but I got it.
Did you have to purchase or register your truck under your S-corp's name to qualify for the federal tax credit? Also, were you also able to get the Colorado Innovative Truck tax credit for $5K? It's explained here:

https://tax.colorado.gov/sites/tax/files/documents/ITT_Innovative_Truck_Credit_Feb_2024.pdf
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Did you have to purchase or register your truck under your S-corp's name to qualify for the federal tax credit? Also, were you also able to get the Colorado Innovative Truck tax credit for $5K? It's explained here:

https://tax.colorado.gov/sites/tax/files/documents/ITT_Innovative_Truck_Credit_Feb_2024.pdf
I did! Getting the full $12,500 ($7500 + $5k CO). Oh… and the Feds give a credit for installing EV chargers too ?

Yes, I registered the truck in my company’s name.
 

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The IRS knows that the 2024 CT does not qualify. It's common knowledge that it doesn't/didn't found here and all over the internet.

Your CPA should have been able to find that as it's listed on the IRS website (and fueleconomy.gov). Again, the 2024 Cybertruck, regardless of price, does not qualify.

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/
But why does it qualify if purchase in the year of 2023? Check it out!
 
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But why does it qualify if purchase in the year of 2023? Check it out!
In 2024 part of the law activated and the imported Chinese cathodes used in the 4680 cells made the truck ineligible for any Clean Vehicle Credit. Tesla has now switched to in-house cathodes and so it's back to being eligible.
 

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The clawback is if you are not eligible for the credit, meaning your income for both the year it was put into service and previous year were over the threshold. There is no clawback if your tax liability is less than the transfered credit (what I was talking about, "that" meaning having any income/ tax liability, not refering to so much income they don't qualify)
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To end up in this clawback situation one would have needed to assert they expected their income in the year it was placed in service was going to be under the MAGI limit because they would already know their income the previous year was over the threshold. Then, their income for the year placed in service would need to have exceed the threshold.

Per Form 8936, if you exceed the income cap in both years you go to line 8d which says:

Yes. Stop here. You can’t claim a clean vehicle credit for this vehicle. If line 4a is “Yes,” check the box on line 4b and report the amount from line 4a on Schedule 2 (Form 1040), line 1b.
Which is
b Repayment of new clean vehicle credit(s) transferred to a registered dealer from Schedule A (Form 8936), Part II. Attach Form 8936 and Schedule A (Form 8936)

If you do meet AGI limits: the form says:
No. If you transferred the credit amount to the dealer at the time of sale, stop here and see instructions. Otherwise, go to line 8e

Only if you didn't do a transfer do you proceed to 8e and continue to line 13
Subtract line 11 from line 9 in Part II. Stop here and include this credit amount on line 9 in Part III of Form 8936
Form 8936 lines 9-13 are the calculations to limit credit to liability. In a transfer, there is no use of this section.
Dude, you are literally saying that the EV tax credit, if taken at point of sale, functions as a refundable credit if it exceeds the recipient’s tax liability for the year. You are saying it is akin to the Earned Income Tax Credit (one of the few refundable credits). Use all the semantics and out-of-context snippets and clips of partial instructions all you want - the FACT is that to avoid a clawback, you must BOTH have AGI below the limit AND owe at least $7,500 in total income tax for the year of purchase. This isn’t close. Miss the AGI limit, you lose all of it. Miss the tax limit, you lose the portion that falls above your tax liability for the year. Again, I’m a CPA - this is not so hard.
 


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Indeed, there is a qualifier on whether your installation is located in a certain census zone. However, if one claims home energy credit for the truck's battery, then charging and any associated equipment can be claimed as well.
To make such a claim would be tax fraud, plain and simple. There can be no wheels attached to a battery that qualifies for the credit. And good luck getting Tesla to certify it for that purpose and provide the necessary paperwork. Claim it if you want but live knowing that such fraud survives the normal 3-year look back for audit purposes.
 

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I did! Getting the full $12,500 ($7500 + $5k CO). Oh… and the Feds give a credit for installing EV chargers too ?

Yes, I registered the truck in my company’s name.
To receive the commercial EV tax credit ownership can be individual, corporate, partnership, any form of titling. The only requirement is that it be used in a business as a tool of that business. You can by a CT and take the credit personally as long as you have a Schedule C, Schedule F, LLC, even K-1 income from a business in which you actively participate (no passive investments help here). It may be a little “safer” from an IRS perspective to register in a corporate name, but it is not required.
 

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Dude, you are literally saying that the EV tax credit, if taken at point of sale, functions as a refundable credit if it exceeds the recipient’s tax liability for the year. You are saying it is akin to the Earned Income Tax Credit (one of the few refundable credits). Use all the semantics and out-of-context snippets and clips of partial instructions all you want - the FACT is that to avoid a clawback, you must BOTH have AGI below the limit AND owe at least $7,500 in total income tax for the year of purchase. This isn’t close. Miss the AGI limit, you lose all of it. Miss the tax limit, you lose the portion that falls above your tax liability for the year. Again, I’m a CPA - this is not so hard.
It is simple, and you are wrong.
I've quoted the IRS, I've quoted the law, I've posted the tax forms.
All you have done is say you are a CPA.
Post any authoritative reference that shows a clawback for point of sale transfer credit due to insufficient tax liability.
 

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It is simple, and you are wrong.
I've quoted the IRS, I've quoted the law, I've posted the tax forms.
All you have done is say you are a CPA.
Post any authoritative reference that shows a clawback for point of sale transfer credit due to insufficient tax liability.
It is virtually in the law. I cannot help you further. Reading comprehension 101.
 

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It is virtually in the law. I cannot help you further. Reading comprehension 101.
There is no "virtually" regarding law. Either it is there or it isn't, in this case it isn't.

Why are you claiming the IRS is wrong?

https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/topic-...it-and-previously-owned-clean-vehicles-credit
Q4. What if a buyer has insufficient tax liability to fully use a transferred credit? (added Oct. 6, 2023)

A4. The amount of the credit that the electing taxpayer elects to transfer to the eligible entity may exceed the electing taxpayer's regular tax liability for the taxable year in which the sale occurs, and the excess, if any, is not subject to recapture from the dealer or the buyer.
 


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Thanks you for purchase and support of Elon. That $7500 you didn’t get will be put to good use elsewhere. Enjoy your CT!!
 

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To receive the commercial EV tax credit ownership can be individual, corporate, partnership, any form of titling. The only requirement is that it be used in a business as a tool of that business. You can by a CT and take the credit personally as long as you have a Schedule C, Schedule F, LLC, even K-1 income from a business in which you actively participate (no passive investments help here). It may be a little “safer” from an IRS perspective to register in a corporate name, but it is not required.
Yeah I don’t know about titling, but my accountant made clear right before I bought it that the purchase agreement/bill of sale must have my company’s name as the purchaser. Tesla said they would register it in the same name as the purchaser. So we left it at that.

I guess you could jump through a few hoops and title it in your personal name when you went to the DMV. But my accountant made it clear that having the title match the purchasing agreement looks a lot more clean in the event of an IRS audit.
 

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I have submitted and received tax credits for 3 Teslas. My CPA handled the tax credit. One of the cars was a Model Y. I think the IRS knows that Tesla’s qualify. Maybe

I helped my son buy a 2023 Model Y. We took delivery in December of 2023. I got the tax credit. However, it appears that the Inflation Reduction Act changed how the qualification of the clean vehicle tax credit in 2024 is determined.
“At the time of sale, a seller must give you information about your vehicle's qualifications. Sellers must also register online and report the same information to the IRS. If they don't, your vehicle won't be eligible for the credit.”
Just want to share what I have learned about the Federal tax credit with potential CyberTruck owners.
I don’t regret buying the Foundation Series of the All-Wheel Drive Cybertruck.
This is what I thought. The tax credit is taken at the time of sale, and in traditional dealerships the $7,500 is deducted from the sale. Not sure how Tesla handles this since they don't have a dealership. The dealership applies the credit themselves from the government.
 
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This is what I thought. The tax credit is taken at the time of sale, and in traditional dealerships the $7,500 is deducted from the sale. Not sure how Tesla handles this since they don't have a dealership. The dealership applies the credit themselves from the government.
On the Tesla website where you can purchase a new Cybertruck, they give you the option to deduct the $7,500 from the purchase price.
I was thinking about trading in my 2024 Foundation Series Cybertruck and buying a 2025, but Tesla said that, in the purchase agreement, I agreed to NOT sell the car within 1 year. I thought that the reason Tesla instituted the 1 year policy was to prevent owners from selling their Cybertrucks at a higher price. That doesn’t seem to be the case any more as Tesla has lowered the price.
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