Dual Motor AWD Cybertruck is insanly fast

[RyanStephenson81]

The R1TQ isn't some theoretical truck, it’s a truck that has already been built and tested by independent reviewers who pulled 2.4s multiple times. If you want to talk theory, don’t be surprised if the CB is a mid-pack performance truck at best in a couple years. Dodge will come out with an electric TRX, Ford with an electric Raptor, and who knows what else is being cooked up. Hell your FS CB probably won’t even be the fastest Cybertruck by then.

You’re paying for bragging rights that have a very short term expiration date on them so enjoy it while it lasts. From experience though, and I hate to break this to you because you seem very invested in it, most people don’t even know what my truck is let alone whether it’s a Beast or an AWD. Make sure you get a big beast logo in your wrap or a bumper sticker or something to communicate it to those around you if you need that validation.

“You’re paying for bragging rights that have a very short term expiration date on them so enjoy it while it lasts.” Isn’t this why you jumped the gun and settled for the AWD?

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[NightOwl]

Nope. That’s just part of the difference between a true launch mode vs just mashing the accelerator on a green light.

Forgive my ignorance as a new EV person, and a non-Beast owner. I’ve heard the term “launch mode” a few times now. What exactly is that? I know it likely describes itself, but I mean what specifically is going on to cause the “launch?”

 

[NightOwl]

less than 20miles of extra range is not anything to crow about….you also fail to grasp the fact that the added power in the beast allows it to perform much much better and safely than the AWD when towing….ignorance is bliss so enjoy your awd….and the extra ~dozen miles of range…

Just curious … do you have your Beast yet? I apologize in advance if you’ve already stated it somewhere and I’ve missed it.

edit: Looks like from your info you do.

 

[mongo]

Forgive my ignorance as a new EV person, and a non-Beast owner. I’ve heard the term “launch mode” a few times now. What exactly is that? I know it likely describes itself, but I mean what specifically is going on to cause the “launch?”

After selecting the mode, your left foot pushes the brake and right floors the accelerator
It lowers the stance in a nose down position, preloads the drive train, in some vehicles conditions the battery. Then it goes goes full power as soon as the brake is released.

 

[NightOwl]

After selecting the mode, your left foot pushes the brake and right floors the accelerator
It lowers the stance in a nose down position, preloads the drive train, in some vehicles conditions the battery. Then it goes goes full power as soon as the brake is released.

Interesting. Thanks!

Couldn’t this technically be done with any vehicle? I’m assuming because of the power of the CyberBeast, it stands out?

 

[CyberFreak]

Forgive my ignorance as a new EV person, and a non-Beast owner. I’ve heard the term “launch mode” a few times now. What exactly is that? I know it likely describes itself, but I mean what specifically is going on to cause the “launch?”

Simply put the vehicle recognizes the call to launch when you select beast mode and are stopped with the brake & accelerator pedal fully pressed. The screen changes to show the vehicle ready for launch and the suspension adjusts to Cheetah stance (higher rear & lower front). When you’re ready you simply lift off the brake…and hold on for dear life!

 

[NightOwl]

Simply put the vehicle recognizes the call to when you select beast mode and are stopped with the brake & accelerator pedal fully pressed. The screen changes to show the vehicle ready for launch and the suspension adjusts to Cheetah stance (higher rear & lower front). When you’re ready you simply lift off the brake…and hold on for dear life!

Ah, okay. Sounds like a launch alright, lol. So I guess it can’t be done on just any vehicle if it’s beyond holding both pedals down and releasing the break.

So that must be the screen that showed on Marquis‘ vehicle display in the video of the Beast vs AWD?

 

[CyberFreak]

Ah, okay. Sounds like a launch alright, lol. So I guess it can’t be done on just any vehicle if it’s beyond holding both pedals down and releasing the break.

So that must be the screen that showed on Marquis‘ vehicle display in the video of the Beast vs AWD?

That’s correct.

 

[KScheidt]

“You’re paying for bragging rights that have a very short term expiration date on them so enjoy it while it lasts.” Isn’t this why you jumped the gun and settled for the AWD?

I don’t know if you’re confusing me with another poster or simply can’t comprehend that A) someone could possibly not care what others think (early delivery, Beast vs AWD, etc.) and B) that “Range is King” to some of us.

If the R1T Max had a bed big enough for my snow skis and enough interior space for a rear facing car seat, I’d have already been driving that (and have a faster truck to boot). The CT is the only truck that met my space requirements at the moment and I chose the one with the higher range. If the Beast came with the same or more I would have chosen that but I won’t sacrifice range for a parlor trick that can easily be replicated by many other vehicles.

You and @CyberFreak can carry on about how the range is not much less (which is genuinely funny because one could make the same argument about the speed difference between the two) and “simulated” locking rear differentials are the same as mechanical locking differentials but these are merely delusions. I’ve driven 100% to less than 5% to make it to a destination (with destination charging) when the Beast would have required a stop in between. This will be even more crucial in the winter here in the mountains when every percent counts or when I am planning a backcountry trip without charging along the route. As for the digital diffs, just ask the R1TQ Gen 1 owners about how well that is working for them. It’s not terrible, but it’s absolutely not the same. The only benefit to the independent rear motors is torque vectoring so I hope you plan to do most of your off roading in the dunes. We don’t have much of that here though.

If you want to be fast, buy a race car. If you want a capable truck, buy the most capable truck for your needs. If you want both, buy one of each. If you can only have one, the Beast is a fair compromise and I hope it brings you both all of the fulfillment you seek.

 

[KScheidt]

@RyanStephenson81 - If you want to have a rationale debate about trucks then we can do that but making personal comments like that is where I draw the line. Enjoy your truck if/when you finally get it. I hope it’s everything to you that you’ve built it up to be.

 

[Gurule92]

@RyanStephenson81 - If you want to have a rationale debate about trucks then we can do that but making personal comments like that is where I draw the line. Enjoy your truck if/when you finally get it. I hope it’s everything to you that you’ve built it up to be.

Awe, I missed it before he got banned.

 

[CyberFreak]

I don’t know if you’re confusing me with another poster or simply can’t comprehend that A) someone could possibly not care what others think (early delivery, Beast vs AWD, etc.) and B) that “Range is King” to some of us.

If the R1T Max had a bed big enough for my snow skis and enough interior space for a rear facing car seat, I’d have already been driving that (and have a faster truck to boot). The CT is the only truck that met my space requirements at the moment and I chose the one with the higher range. If the Beast came with the same or more I would have chosen that but I won’t sacrifice range for a parlor trick that can easily be replicated by many other vehicles.

You and @CyberFreak can carry on about how the range is not much less (which is genuinely funny because one could make the same argument about the speed difference between the two) and “simulated” locking rear differentials are the same as mechanical locking differentials but these are merely delusions. I’ve driven 100% to less than 5% to make it to a destination (with destination charging) when the Beast would have required a stop in between. This will be even more crucial in the winter here in the mountains when every percent counts or when I am planning a backcountry trip without charging along the route. As for the digital diffs, just ask the R1TQ Gen 1 owners about how well that is working for them. It’s not terrible, but it’s absolutely not the same. The only benefit to the independent rear motors is torque vectoring so I hope you plan to do most of your off roading in the dunes. We don’t have much of that here though.

If you want to be fast, buy a race car. If you want a capable truck, buy the most capable truck for your needs. If you want both, buy one of each. If you can only have one, the Beast is a fair compromise and I hope it brings you both all of the fulfillment you seek.

Running to 0% is plain dumb…there’s no way to know with that level of precision what hazards or variable conditions you may encounter to cause that calculation to be wrong leaving you stranded.

As for the rear Diffs, your desperation to make a point is revealed as you resorted to a false equivalency in comparing Rivian to Tesla…as opposed to pointing to the myriad off-road testing that have been described online after the off road software update for the Beast had been installed….it’s like telling someone self driving sucks because ford’s software was so bad they effectively abandoned it so why would anyone else be able to do it? ??‍

I can tell you first hand that having 2 motors that can fully lock as well as make minute adjustments in microseconds (vs waiting for locks to continually engage & disengage) results in significantly BETTER performance over obstacles.

 

[FarAway]

It is usually the DRIVER and NOT the vehicle that makes the combination unsafe. Yes, I have seen vehicles that were "unsafe at any speed" but more often it is the driver that makes a vehicle dangerous.

I am sure no one here wants to see their CT insurance policy prices unjustly raised because other owners are calling these trucks "unsafe" and "dangerous".

 

[KScheidt]

Running to 0% is plain dumb…there’s no way to know with that level of precision what hazards or variable conditions you may encounter to cause that calculation to be wrong leaving you stranded.

As for the rear Diffs, your desperation to make a point is revealed as you resorted to a false equivalency in comparing Rivian to Tesla…as opposed to pointing to the myriad off-road testing that have been described online after the off road software update for the Beast had been installed….it’s like telling someone self driving sucks because ford’s software was so bad they effectively abandoned it so why would anyone else be able to do it? ??‍

I can tell you first hand that having 2 motors that can fully lock as well as make minute adjustments in microseconds (vs waiting for locks to continually engage & disengage) results in significantly BETTER performance over obstacles.

That’s a fair point in not comparing Tesla to Rivian as an equivalency, I’ll give you that. I still fundamentally disagree with you in regards to the superiority of a mechanical locking diff vs a simulated locking diff but I don’t think we are going to change each others minds in this case. Simply put, there are benefits to both. If we remove this as a contention it boils down to range versus acceleration. A little more of one or a little more of the other. Different people, different needs. I’m sure you chose the best option for you as did I.

I’ve rarely engaged here since I took delivery and this thread has made me realize why. I’ve been out enjoying this amazing truck instead of just talking about it like the four plus years prior. To anyone who has followed this discussion up to this point, Beast or AWD, it’s a great truck and I think you’re going to love it either way! Hope to see more of you CT Owners on the road soon! ???

And Ryan, I really do hope you enjoy the truck when you get it man! I’m know that Beast is gonna be awesome for you!

 

[Woodrick]

Okay, my bad. For some reason I thought you already had one.

With regard to range: We originally placed the order because of the 500 mile range. We’re retired and take a lot of road trips to see grandkids and travel at large. Prior to this product, we weren’t interested in an EV because we weren’t sure if it’d work out very well with the infrastructure, etc. All the other stuff was just cream on top of that at the time. (But we definitely wanted the extra cream; we ordered the tri-motor as well, lol.)

Fast forward to the actual vehicle spec announcement right before the rollout. We were disappointed by the much lower range. However, the more we looked at the Supercharger network, the more we realized that a 500 mile range would likely not be a necessity anyway. Additionally, we’d gotten used to stopping in between gas stops for bathroom break, eating, etc. And we just found the truck too enticing to not pursue. And yes, the sports-car-quickness was part of the attraction. I guess you could say we eventually decided the cream alone was a reason to buy, lol. But to be clear, to a certain extent, range still matters to us.

You've got to travel quite a ways out of Georgia before you hit areas without a Supercharger every 100 miles. Even Waycross is only 75 miles from a Supercharger. We've been from the Great Lakes to the Florida Keys and out toward Branson with no issues. It is that area out there near and beyond Branson that's becomes a stretch, but not a problem.

Recent trip For Atlanta to Dayton Oh, only two 15 minutes stops on the way up, mostly for the bladder.

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